Southern Baptist State Leaders Accuse Mission Organization of Strong Arming

May 12, 2016

by Joni B. Hannigan

***This article was previously posted at the Christian Examiner and is used by permission.

Several Southern Baptist state conventions leaders have accused the denomination’s North American Mission Board (NAMB) of linking financial support from the national entity — funding for church planting and other ministries — to secretive Cooperative Agreements which include a clause that threatens to withhold ministry funds to the states if disclosures about the agreement — or concerns — are shared publicly.

Cooperation is the essential bond among Southern Baptists whose 46,500 churches are autonomous, but historically have rallied together around a common theology and the desire to work together in evangelistic missions at home and abroad.

Local associations, state conventions and the national denomination (which includes domestic and overseas mission boards and an extensive seminary education system) each adhere to a system of independent governance — driven by elections, boards and appointments — that provides accountability to the churches which ultimately are the centers of sustainability for a massive system of financing and budgets which includes special offerings, but for long-term health and growth relies heavily on the systematic and regular offerings of its members.

Increasingly, however, the particulars of how funds are distributed to state conventions (essentially returning a portion of what was sent to the national convention from the churches of these same state conventions) has come under scrutiny after revelations that NAMB places a restriction on the distribution of funds tied to the silence of state leaders about the “Cooperative Agreements” which in essence places 100 percent control of church planting in these states with NAMB.

Breaking the secrecy not only puts funding from NAMB at risk, but may even lead to dismissal, some state convention executive directors say.

The gag orders come at a time when Southern Baptists have reorganized their domestic missions strategy to focus on church planting as the primary means of evangelizing North America.

But statistics show, after five years, NAMB has fallen far short of the goals set as part of its reorganization.

Four current state executive directors — and a former one who claims he was terminated, in part, over disagreements related to the terms of a Cooperative Agreement — recently agreed to interviews with the Christian Examiner.

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Rick Patrick

This is news—important news affecting every Southern Baptist. It should be noted that this story has been broken by The Christian Examiner (a private, online Christian newspaper) along with various social media outlets and news blogs such as SBC Today. One cannot help but wonder why more attention is not being given to this issue by Baptist Press and our network of state Baptist newspapers. The news may not always be positive, but the news is the news.

This is no longer simply a Will McRaney vs. NAMB issue. Now that other state executives have joined him in exposing Ezell’s strong arming tactics and use of gag orders, Southern Baptists should demand an independent investigation by a group OUTSIDE of the NAMB Trustees who allowed all of this to happen. Southern Baptists do not fund NAMB in order for this national entity to strong arm and muzzle our state convention leaders.

    Randall Cofield

    Dr. Patrick,

    Are you aware of where I might find one of these Cooperative Agreements/gag-orders? Have any of the complainants made one available?

    Thanks.

      Rick Patrick

      As I understand it, these are two separate items: (1) the Renegotiated Cooperative Agreement favoring NAMB, and (2) the Non-Disclosure Agreement promising not to express concerns publicly.

      This is a fluid situation, which is to say that the story is continuing to break, especially now that additional state execs are publicly supporting McRaney’s position. I believe providing those Cooperative Agreements would probably be considered a violation of the Non-Disclosure Clauses, so I don’t think this has actually taken place as of yet. Perhaps they will be available soon.

      Quite a bit of information is available here: http://willmcraney.com/supporting-documents/

        Randall Cofield

        Dr. Patrick,

        Perhaps I’m missing something here, but if state execs are now expressing concerns publicly–despite signing a non-disclosure agreement promising not to express concerns publicly–why on earth would they not publish both the Cooperative and the Non-Disclosure agreements?

        1) Publishing the agreements without comment is nothing more than transparency.
        2) Even if publishing the agreements was construed as expressing concern publicly, this would be no more than they are already doing.

        This is puzzling to me.

          Lydia

          It should not be confusing. How would a non-disclosure agreement be published without having the name/place of the publisher attached to it in some way?

          However, anonymously saying there is a non disclosure disagreement is totally different, legally.

          In that world of upside down Christianity, it would then be a “sin” and breach of contract perhaps, to publish the non-disclosure agreement. Yet it is not considered a sin by the leaders to have one in the first place. After all we are talking about other people’s money they are spending and using non-disclosure agreements to do so. It really is rather diabolical.

          I would not want to do business with such “Christian” men who seek to silence people when they are using other people’s tithe money to do so. It is sick.

            Scott Shaver

            Lydia:

            It reminds me of Bernie Madoff’s second office and accountants on a sequestered floor…accessible by code to only a handful of henchmen.

              Lydia

              Yes Scott, except Bernie was not doing it in the Name of Jesus Christ.

                Scott Shaver

                Ouch Lydia. Must you always be so “Christocentric”? :)

            Scott Shaver

            The signed/notarized non-disclosure agreement lies within the jurisdiction of the courts.

            The “existence” and content of the non-disclosure agreement lies within the jurisdiction of the SBC (i.e. agencies/boards)……..good luck with that one.

            My warmest praises to anybody than can pull a hat-trick at one of these annual SBC “business” meetings.

          Joe

          Mr. Cofield,

          I think you may be confusing a non-disclosure agreement, with what is not to be disclosed. If anyone desired another party to keep silent about certain details, they would certainly not disclose the private information, and then ask them to keep quiet about it. That would be foolish. Rather, you would go to the individual with a non-disclosure agreement without any of the secret information, and then when the agreement has been signed, business would proceed in how the monies would be handled, how the structure would be pursued, etc. And that is what would be kept secret, not the non-disclosure agreement itself. The non-disclosure agreement is what is being discussed, not the actual details of what is to be kept private. There is no puzzle, and there is, in this case, no goose-chase. Where the hunt needs to begin concerns the secretive details itself, not the non-disclosure agreement.

            Randall Cofield

            I understand what is and what is not in a non-disclosure statement. Merely producing the agreement without comment would be sufficient to expose wrongdoing.

              Lydia

              Even if the agreement includes not making the agreement public?

                Joe

                Precisely, that is the point. The witch hunt is not over the non-disclosure agreement, but what was agreed beyond the non-disclosure. That is what we should be wondering about, not just proving wrongdoing was done in the first place. We need the facts. Of course, the likelihood of that is slim. If these events reveal anything is the nature and character of the current officials in charge of the convention.

                  Lydia

                  Witch hunt?

                    Joe

                    I simply mean to imply that by focusing on a non-disclosure agreement, or whether the actual agreement itself has been released is a distraction from the real issue. We could get so caught up in searching for and/or finding the non-disclosure agreement, when of course it would mean very little next to finding out what lies beyond. There should be enough evidence present to move from desiring the non-disclosure agreement onto desiring either what was agreed to be kept private. Or, in fact, we might determine that because this whole scenario is damning enough to warrant looking elsewhere for Christian fellowship in a Convention. Good churches need to stick with the Bible not conventions. “Witch hunt” may have some application into what I was thinking at the time, but it may also have been an inaccurate term to use.

                    Scott Shaver

                    Was questioning use of the term myself.

                    Joe

                    My comment is currently awaiting moderation, as it was since 10 minutes after you posted your question. It is not a wild goose chase (a more appropriate term) to desire the real content. To chase after the non-disclosure agreement itself is more pointless and less fruitful than to know what information is being kept hidden. This is, after all, the point of this thread, originally posted by Mr. Cofield.

                  Scott Shaver

                  Agreed in substance Joe.

                    Lydia

                    “To chase after the non-disclosure agreement itself is more pointless and less fruitful than to know what information is being kept hidden. This is, after all, the point of this thread, originally posted by Mr. Cofield”

                    I get your point but just about every non disclosure agreement I have seen as a clause about making it public outside of lawyers, etc. This might seem obvious but has no place in Christendom and spending OPM tithe money. Didn’t the VRI have a similar clause about public negative words? Who gets to decide what is negative or negative truths? Why are these “legal” positions in the SBC?

                    Time to make it all transparent. Evil hides in darkness.

                    Joe

                    I absolutely agree with that. None of this sort of thing should be occurring. Even “resolutions” shouldn’t be issued by the Convention. Historically speaking, these sorts of things are foreign to Baptist though, perhaps not modern Baptists, but certainly not Baptists who are historically minded. These sorts of practices are more a symptom of a developing hierarchy within a democratic, or what should be a democratic structure. Secrecy must be maintained if the “authorities” are able to seize more control. It’s unlikely, of course, that many of these moves toward hierarchy are a somewhat defaulted action of organization. Organization often tends towards a developed hierarchy. A cursory reading of history reveals that. But that is no excuse when we have a standards clearly laid out in the Bible, with only Jesus as our head, and with so many bad examples abounding throughout even the far reaches of history. What to do from here is the question. I would be very interested to know what is being kept secret, but I almost wonder if it’s worth knowing. The mere fact that secrets are being kept is a sign of decadence and drift from biblical right. People need to be held to account or abandoned to form new organizations, with or without knowing the precise details. Secrets themselves are indicting enough in a Southern Baptist organization.

                Scott Shaver

                I don’t think the SBC is in the habit of publicizing their behavior. They are fond of publicly demonizing everything else from presidential candidates right down to Disney, Target, and the confederate flag.

                I fully expect Russell Moore or Dwight McKissic to eventually label those of us who eat peanut butter sandwiches as “nominal evangelicals” or racists. Thom Ranier has made an exciting discovery which suggests “discipleship” is important but will take 5 years for the study to cycle and complete?

                In the words of Bugs Bunny…..”what a Maroon”.

                  Lydia

                  Why is it a witch hunt to ask for transparency from “Christians” who are spending tithe money?

                    Scott Shaver

                    Why is a “hunt” wrong if there’s evidence of warlocks in the wood pile?

                    Speaking of warlocks, Miller publishes the following piece at Pravda just to be the first one to decry publicly it’s posting. “Russell Moore Went Too Far” by Ben Simpson. Sheesh, talk about keeping your grass clipped on both sides of the fence which seems pretty much his MO.

                    Too bad that most SBs (Rick Patrick exception) sympathetic with the rationale of this article are banned from commenting there…….LOL.

                    Moore needs to find somebody other than Elijah to compare himself with. He and the ERLC went running after the Baals first (RNC) and now want to condemn a king who isn’t even king……..yet. Elijah did no such thing.

                    Analogy turns to ashes pretty quickly.

                    Can Russell possibly get any Moore off the rails?

    Scott Shaver

    Sounds strangely akin to the Federal Government (weak analogy with SBC clowns) infringing and stepping all over the sovereignty of its respective states, while sending carpet baggers into their midst to plunder and exploit resources.

    If the constituents of the SBC (individuals and affiliated churches) do not stand on behalf of your state conventions against the SBC, you will forfeit you state legacy, heritage and unique “Southern Baptist” identities to these strong arm efforts to enforce uniformity.

    KEEP MORE MONEY IN THE STATE AND LESS OUT OF NASHVILLE.

norm

This is not the tail wagging the dog; it is the self-appointed master beating the dog into submission.

Gag order! Really? Someone please give me a biblical defense for this.

Whatever happened to the authority in our denomination flowing from the pew, up? Are we so apathetic at the local church level that we are willing to remain frogs in one big kettle with such leaders’ hands on the temp dial?

Read the full article and you will also read this: “More than 20 states initially entered into 100 percent agreements, but an estimated 6-7 states, including the NBC, opted against such an arrangement, after which time they were notified that their workers would lose (*NAMB-funded) health insurance if they would not agree to the new arrangements, Adams said.” (*parenthesis added)

Ezell is leading the SBC back into the days that necessitated the Conservative Resurgence, when theological moderates in SBC power positions acted as robber barons.

But it goes farther back than that. My father, former SBC Executive Committee member was a pastor in Nashville early in his ministry years. Seeds for the CR were planted in his heart back then (and even before at SBTS, where neo-orthodoxy was welcomed). The essential message to pastors and churches that came from SBC leadership regarding upper-level administration related to the Cooperative Program was, per my father’s recollection: “You little people do the ‘Co-ing,’ and we will do the operating.’”

The operative word then, as it is now with NAMB is the same. No longer is the CP about cooperation; it is about co-opting.

Whose money is NAMB spending?

Oh, yeah, yours and mine.

Then why can’t we get answers, and why must we be treated in an unchristian manner?

    Scott Shaver

    Man…don’t ask for a “biblical definition”. :)

    Seems anymore both biblical interpretation and “definition” are determined ex post facto by agenda or theology (biblical or not).

    Max

    “Whose money is NAMB spending?”

    From the pockets of millions of Southern Baptists in 45,000+ churches who have no clue about the theo-political maneuverings in a once-great denomination. They faithfully give, trusting that SBC leaders have no other agenda but the Great Commission.

Alan

How do we square strong-arm tactics and secret agreements with what seems like the Christ-like method of leadership that requires openness and clarity about our actions?

I believe there needs to be serious questions raised and serious reforms enacted before it is too late.

    Scott Shaver

    Alan, with all due and sincere respect, why should folks continue signing checks until more unanswered questions are forthcoming? That’s what the gullible do in the context of cults.

      Alan

      We should stop sending a dime until these men are held accountable.

    Max

    “How do we square strong-arm tactics and secret agreements with what seems like the Christ-like method of leadership that requires openness and clarity about our actions?”

    “If a leader can say what Paul said to the Corinthian Church – ‘Imitate me’ (1 Cor. 4:16) – and say it with integrity, that is strong leadership. And that’s what we need at all levels of leadership in Baptist life” (Randy Adams Executive Director Northwest Baptist Association).

      Scott Shaver

      Agreed Max…key word in your statement being “integrity”. That’s exactly where some of these “leaders” lose me.

Lydia

“Read the full article and you will also read this: “More than 20 states initially entered into 100 percent agreements, but an estimated 6-7 states, including the NBC, opted against such an arrangement, after which time they were notified that their workers would lose (*NAMB-funded) health insurance if they would not agree to the new arrangements, Adams said.” (*parenthesis added)”

That sounds like the typical” Ezell loyalist to Mohler” move. That is how they operate. The peasants are stupid and must be controlled. As long as folks give them money, this will continue. They don’t have to listen to anyone. They are the power. Problem is they present a cruel and deceptive Jesus with their behavior.

You don’t have to throw people under the bus to spread the Gospel as their former poster boy Driscoll was proud of teaching.

    Scott Shaver

    My conscience is clear. Thank God for autonomous SBC churches that enourage designations to the missions/joint efforts in which they participate. Thanks to the Baptist General Convention of Texas for long ago making that clear.

    Ezell and upper tiers can sell there wares in New York and DC for all I’m concerned.

    Scott Shaver

    If any desires to observe a case study in “the peasants are stupid and must be controlled” they need look no further this morning, 5/15, than “Super Dave” over at Pravda. After complimenting Bart Barber and Les Prouty on their civil discussion/disagreement regarding Russell Moore, Miller has announced he is traveling for a few days and “won’t be able to monitor the discussion and he does not trust comments to toe his line of tolerance without his supervision…..so he shuts it down to EVERYBODY, even his fellow Jr. Rangers.
    )
    Why?….because folks (with the exception of Miller) need to be censored and controlled. He posts the article, invites discussion (from a select group) and then shuts it down to travel because he doesn’t even trust his “friends”? Lydia is spot on about this disease.

    This is “healthy leadership”?

      Alan

      Scott,
      That is an excellent point about Voices. I have a very bad experience over there with Miller deleting (what I thought was a very good critique of an issue) under the guise I was using a fake email. Despite the fact I had used the same information for a couple of years. Once it was established he was wrong, he didn’t restore the comment and I’ve been pretty much staying away from that site ever since. Clearly, it isn’t welcoming of a rank-and-file guy who thinks outside what is approved. I think all of this control links nicely with the elder-rule polity being foisted on more and more Baptist churches.

        Lydia

        Alan,
        Dave sent me an email once making a false claim about me and another blogger that JD Hall had made years earlier. Evidently Dave did not know that and just repeated it trying to malign a certain blogger.

        This is not Christianity. It is movement/ groupthink politics. Dave is immersed in it.

        These are not decent guys with character and integrity. They have learned well from their gurus. Beware, they think nothing of trying to ruin people who dare disagree.

          Scott Shaver

          Well since they wouldn’t print my original response on “Millerism” Lydia and Alan, let me try to dress it up a little.

          Miller long ago banned by comments from SBC Voices. The reason: I got tired of him stalking me for repentance at my personal and business email addresses for “repentance” and spiritual castigation and told him so in good old farm boy language.

          The language I used, and for which he (Miller) took offense, is “mild” in comparison to what he’ll hear if he ever abuses my personal contact information again. Will settle for my “potty” mouth over his glaring lack of integrity any day.

            Mary

            Miller has gone after countless numbers offline – all because they disagree with him. His anger and vitriol at any disagreement from the approved party line is a sight to behold. He can barely contain it in public. You can just imagine his phone is filled with his spittle after he’s taken it upon himself to “correct” those who had the audacity to disagree with any of his idols in the SBC.

              Dean Stewart

              Dave Miller and I have had numerous dust-ups through the years. He and I disagree on about as many issues as we agree on. He is my friend and my brother in Christ. I remind us all of Paul’s words in Philippians 2 to esteem others better than ourselves.

                Scott Shaver

                At least then, Dean, he obviously interacts with you like a “friend” and a “brother”.

                I don’t get the impression of being given the same benefit of doubt from Miller…to either the “brother” or “Christian” aspects of the question. How does “esteem” fit into that equation?

                Lydia

                I understand, Dean. I suppose Paul was not a esteeming Peter when he called him out publicly for his behavior? Was John a esteeming Diotreohes?

                I seriously doubt that Paul, in writing that, meant we should ignore bad or deceitful Behavior.

                Actually, taking your admonition at face value, I could make a case that Dave Miller, a paid servant of Jesus Christ, was not modeling that passage for me at the time or on his blog:

                “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.”

                Surely you do not think that pastors are exempt? Or is it only the interests of the paid guru’s he is to look after?

                John K

                I respect Dave Miller even though he banned me 2 days ago from SBCvoices. I never read his emails he sent me they went to spam. He has the right to run that sight the way he wants to. I have a right to comment the way I want to, till I get banned. I think we all need to read Romans 2 in context. See where we stand, and I’ll see if I get banned from this site as well for saying so.

                  Lydia

                  Great points, John K. A Blog is like a big unfenced backyard. It is public for all to see but also private property and the property owner has every right to moderate who can come. . But when I am emailed information to try and malign others, one is attempting to enter my house and speak.

                  Mary

                  He can run a private blog any way he chooses. He doesn’t have the right to his moral superiority when he treats others with such hate and vitriol. How many people are now pointing out his “offline” personality? Miller can barely control himself in public – people need to know that he’s worse behind the scenes. Pravda is a blog that is about protecting the SBC elite at any and all costs by any means necessary while pretending to welcome dissenting “voices” To paraphrase – all voices are equal some voices are more equal than others. I can guarantee those sycophants of Moore who were hurling personal insults against dissenters were not banned because if you’re on the right team you can behave any way you want and Miller will claim he was “on the road” or whatever lame excuse. He never misses those who dissent from the party line but always somehow misses those on his team being nasty. And you want to talk about misogyny? Notice there are very few women who ever post there and they are only allowed there because they follow the party line. Miller and Co have a real issue with “uppity” women.

        Mary

        If your email is fake then he can’t go off on you with a very unChrist like rant when you disagree with him. If you show up Dave Miller or any of the sycophants you’re not welcome at Pravda

      Lydia

      Scott, not only that but Miller pats himself on the back for publishing a post he disagrees with and then calls those who disagree with Moore, Moore haters! He is totally sold out to these people.

      It is uncanny how cultic the SBC has become.

      Moore’s big life changing Gospel issue while Dean at SBTS was Patriarchy. He made his bones on that issue.

      But that issue is nowhere to be seen with his new ” National” position and in the secular media that he stalks for publucity. Hmmm. Yeah, patriarchy would not go over real well, would it? If he were yammering on about that, he would not be in the New York Times or on camera.

      He is no ideologue but a smarmy opportunist.

      And worse, he chooses the low-hanging fruit of racism as his big issue, NOW. (Never mind his racist surroundings at SBTS did not seem to bother him a few years ago.

      . And, on the SBC dime, he will build his National brand on that issue. Wonder what issue is next for this opportunist using SBC money for personal promotion?

      Right now he is the darling of the establishment. And I have no doubt they will give him plenty of opportunities to spread his childish shock jock rants.

      When I read some of the things he writes, I have a hard time understanding how he earned a Ph.D with such pedantic rhetoric as is his style.

        Scott Shaver

        Lydia: You wonder how he earned a PHD?

        I guess we can chalk it up to the current state/quality of education in the “great” SBC seminaries huh?

        Scott Shaver

        Lydia:

        He is still “glowing” in the aftermath of Donald Trump mentioning his name. Check out his new twitter moniker.

        If he is “Elijah” he certainly relishes the role of “suffering prophet”…….LOL

          Lydia

          Scott,
          Here is a brain gamer for you and how bankrupt the establishment has become. I have an extended family member who works for the DNC. I was told that both the Republican and Democrat establishment cannot stand Hillary but wants her over Trump for a specific reason: they honestly believe they will be able to control her better than they could ever control Trump.

          Whether or not the clintons are controllable is a moot point. They are establishment and there is plenty of new dirt to dig ever since he left the presidency as leverage. And that would include Clinton’s many junkets with Epstein the pedophile, their foundation, the FBI investigations, etc. These are leverage from within.

          Trump is is viewed as totally uncontrollable. No leverage. So that seems to fit why you will not see Moore trash Hillary like he goes after Trump. It is the strategy.

            Scott Shaver

            Precisely Lydia:

            The coins and coffers of retirees and little old ladies doing the “Lord’s work” in Washington….in addition to your typical lobbyist perks, kick-backs and back-scratching.

            SBC’s “Elijah” is a Washington political lobbyist with an oil painting of CSA Chaplain Broaddus hanging front and center. A “white” church no more?……give it a rest. How about white churches without Moore?

      Mary

      Double standards; double standards as far as the eye can see. When McKissic posts his annual “the SBC is racist and should continually apologize for being racist” post than everyone is admonished that because a “brother” is offended it is up to us to apologize. Buuuuuuuut when someone like Russel Moore makes offensive statements that many are offended by then it’s “how dumb are you people that you can’t understand plain English!”

      Follow this logic if you can: Moore rambles on how Trump is against racial reconcilliation and is every kind of phobic du jour. Then Moore declares that those who are against racial reconcilliation are “on the wrong side of Jesus” but somehow Moore is not implying that those who refuse to declare “neverTrump” are on the wrong side of Jesus. Can almost hear Miller screaming at the keyboard “DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE” That’s always the go- to when on of his idols is being questioned.

        Scott Shaver

        Mary:

        I’m beginning to see, after all these years that the organized SBC leadership is closer to a bonafide “cult” than just “cult-like”.

          Mary

          It is very Scientology-ist the way the “group” goes after anyone who disagrees – nothing to do with Christ in their behavior.

            Lydia

            “It is very Scientology-ist the way the “group” goes after anyone who disagrees ”

            Oh yes. Right down to legal non disclosure agreements you must sign to keep your job or membership covenants you must sign to join church. And the VRI with its no negative clause. These “Christian” documents are first vetted by lawyers. It is exactly what Scientology did.

          Mary

          I just want to leave a couple things here from some new posts at Peter’s blog.

          First, for all those who wring their hands and think SBC Today shouldn’t exist because it’s so “divisive” a recent comment from the Founder’s blog from Southern Seminary’s Tom Nettles.

          “A soteriology without Calvinism is a path to bad religion and compromised churches.” –Tom Nettles

          Now will anyone at Pravda have anything to say about this? and all the brouhaha by Pravda directed from on high about those thinking about voting for Trump, Calvinists favorite Thabiti Anyabwile has declared that he will be voting for Hilary. Will there now be any comments from Moore, Pravda about how you’re on the wrong side of Jesus if you vote for Hilary? Maybe the Gospel Coalition will have something to say?

            Scott Shaver

            Nettles and the Founders were part of the CR alliance from way back, benchmark of Calvinism in the SBC.

            Some of their henchmen in Louisiana were part of the Bayou State version of the CR, ultimately responsible for making a shambles of Louisiana College with both their politics and appointments.

            Would take something other than a 50+ “moderate” Southern Baptist to reason with, find middle-ground or “unity” with that outfit. Didn’t work the first time 20+ years ago.

        Scott Shaver

        Instead of asking for apologies from Christians on behalf of African Americans, perhaps McKissic should got to Washington and ask for apologies from both the RNC and DNC, throw POTUS in while he’s at it.

        Guess he’s not worried about the plight of folks post-antebellum :)

Greg Roberts

How about a RESOLUTION calling for transparency and no closed agenda’s or meetings.

    Scott Shaver

    A “resolution” calling for transparency will be just as effective as a “resolution” calling for folks to quit displaying the confederate flag.

    Both flag sales and gag orders will multiply exponentially.

    Rick Patrick

    Please see the Transparency Agenda posted at the top of the home page. I’m not sure the annual meeting will allow adequate opportunity for this discussion. I think perhaps an Executive Board meeting would be a better venue.

Gerry Taillon

Hi My name is Gerry Taillon, I am the Executive Director of The Canadian National Baptist Convention. My experience with NAMB is very positive and I have been very supportive of the increased focus on church planting and it has been very beneficial to us in Canada. For more on that follow this link…. http://www.cnbc.ca/articles/cnbc-grateful-fot-namb-partnership

    Rick Patrick

    Hello Gerry,
    Thank you so much for your comment and link. I visited your page and noticed this statement about NAMB: “They have increased our church planting personnel from 3 to 15 while taking on 100% of the costs for the additional personnel.” On behalf of almost 50,000 Southern Baptist Churches like mine who have given NAMB every single penny that they have shared with you, let me simply say, “You are more than welcome for our support and we are extremely glad that we could help you. When NAMB gives you money and when NAMB gives state conventions money, it’s really coming from us.” While many of us do harbor reservations regarding the use of secret partnership agreements between our state mission boards and our national mission board, these are internal family matters related to our decision making processes. Please be assured that all Southern Baptists are united in our desire to share the gospel and fulfill the Great Commission, and especially in our desire to reach all of North America for Christ, along with our Canadian friends and partners.

RZ

Ezell says states are free to share details of NAMB agreements. He made Indiana’s available here: http://www.namb.net/Ezellnambblog.aspx?id=12884962796&blogid=8590116761

    Rick Patrick

    Ezell claims NAMB *wants* to share details of these agreements, but will honor the desire of some state convention execs by not making these matters public. It would seem that the buck has been passed.

    Now, we need to ask all of these state convention execs if THEY are willing to remove the gag orders. If NAMB is willing and THEY are willing, then every Cooperation Agreement in SBC life—all 42 of them—can and should be made public. I think this would be a very good thing, contributing first to a more complete transparency, and second to a greater degree of unity.

Lydia

It is how cons work. The mark becomes invested in the con. They end up protecting each other for different reasons, of course. But the outcome the same: protection.

Eventually, the con throws the mark under the bus and the mark goes along to save face and position. I mean they don’t want people to know how gullible they really are. So the con is a great guy and you don’t know what you are talking about.

Lydia

And just like Calvinism. Everyone is guilty but
no one is really responsible.

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