SBC Today Is Under New Management

July 9, 2012

By Steve Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, McFarland Chair of Theology, and Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.


For over a year and a half, I have had the privilege of assisting a team of contributing editors in posting articles in SBC Today, in order to continue this blog that had previously been discontinued for some months. Although some may have perceived my role at SBC Today to be greater than it actually has been, I have played a role in it for these many months. It has been quite a ride! Through many ups and downs, SBC Today has gone from being an inactive blog to among of the highest ranked Religion blogs in the Technorati blog rankings (especially in recent days during the discussion of “A Statement of the Traditional Southern Baptist Understanding of God’s Plan of Salvation”).

This experience in blogging has taught me much. From a personal perspective, I am appreciative of the many affirmations that have come my way through this experience. On the other hand, it has been surprising and disappointing for me to see the mean-spirited remarks by fellow believers about some of the articles and the persons who wrote them. There is a basic problem when our doctrine drives us to be divisive, mean-spirited, and unChristlike in our comments.  That phenomenon is not true just in this blog, of course. There is part of the bloggerworld that plays to the fleshly nature, and many there be who fall into its trap. Among other things I have learned are a clarification of what others believe and a recognition on my own part of the need for me to write more precisely.

However, the main thing that I learned is that I don’t have the time to continue having such a demanding role for a high readership blog. The time demands of my regular responsibilities, along with some new responsibilities that I have recently accepted, make it impossible for me to continue my involvement at this level. I have not had time to contribute a new article of my own in SBC Today since February, and we have had to rely almost completely on our contributing editors. As some of you know, I have been seeking a likeminded person or group for a number of months who could take over the leadership of SBC Today. After a few earlier possibilities did not work out, I am happy to say that a suitable new owner has arisen to whom ownership of SBC Today will be transferred from its current private owner.

Emir Caner of Truett-McConnell College has agreed to captain a new editorial team that is being assembled. The transition of SBC Today to TMC direction has been underway for several weeks, and official ownership is being transferred today.

My role at SBC Today has been that of a facilitator, not as the primary author.  With my time limitations, I could not have done what we have achieved without the help of a team of contributing editors.  Some of them prefer to remain anonymous, so I’ll not mention them by name, but they know who they are. I have received much too much credit for the success of SBC Today, and these friends have received much too little recognition. But SBC Today could not have thrived without their contributions, editing help, and technology help.

I also want to express my profound appreciation to the many people who have contributed articles to SBC Today through these months. Though space does not permit me to list them all, for they are numerous, but let me express my thanks particularly to those who made regular posts, including Joe McKeever, Franklin Kirksey, Thomas Douglas, Michael Cox, Ron Hale, David Crosby, Waylon Bailey, Lynn Jones, Wes Kenney, and many others. Your articles have been the woof and warp of SBC Today, and your writing ministry has been a blessing to us all. I also appreciate our hundreds of persons who have commented on the articles, without whom SBC Today would not be the forum that it has become.

The reason that I got engaged in blogging was because I felt that the “Baptist identity” perspective was dramatically underrepresented in the Christian bloggerworld. There are dozens of strongly Reformed Baptist blogs, but not many mainstream Baptist identity blogs.  We wanted to create a “safe haven” setting where mainstream Baptists (or whatever we might be called — “traditional,” “mainstream,” “majoritarian,” “Baptist identity,” “Anabaptist,” etc.) would feel comfortable voicing their Baptist identity perspective. (The Reformed pundits have challenged each of these names, most recently the “traditional Baptist” nomenclature, and in my opinion it is not an ideal name. Nor are “Southern Baptists” or “Great Commission Baptists ” ideal in every way. But for simplicity’s sake, we’re the group which LifeWay Research has demonstrated yet again as being the overwhelming majority in the SBC, being neither Arminian nor Calvinist in identity, but Baptist). Many mainstream Baptists have expressed their frustration to me that when they tried to voice their opinions on other blogs, though some disagreed respectfully, inevitably some responded with unkind words, caricatures, misrepresentations, and ridicule. By providing a “safe haven” for Baptist identity people, I think we achieved several objectives – not only has SBC Today been successful beyond my imagination, but we have actively encouraged and promoted other Baptist identity blogs as well.

The overwhelming majority of our articles in SBC Today have been devotional or ministerial in orientation – sermon ideas, help for bivocational pastors, devotional thoughts, and wise words for dealing with various issues that arise for church leaders. However, like all other Baptist blogs, the articles that have brought the most attention are those dealing with Reformed theology. We didn’t make that happen; our readers did. I do hope that the Baptist bloggerworld gets beyond this obsession, but until then, it is the elephant in the room, and SBC Today probably shares some credit for pointing out that pachyderm.

We have attempted to provide a forum for Baptists at SBC Today. In so doing, we have allowed some of our contributors to express some strong opinions. At the same time, we have given an unusually wide berth to our commentators, who have expressed equally strong contrary opinions. Our conviction is that unless we talk through the issues on which we differ, we as Baptists will never achieve unity. Talking through issues about which we disagree is painful, but hopefully doing so helps facilitate conversation and dialogue, which is better than opposing sides talking about each other but never talking with each other.

I look forward to seeing what Dr. Caner and his team will do with SBC Today in the days to come.  Dr. Caner shares the Baptist identity perspective that SBC Today has had before and during my time working with the blog, and it pleases me that SBC Today will continue to be a voice for the majority of Southern Baptists.

I would encourage all the contributors, commentators, and readers of SBC Today to continue to participate in SBC Today under its new ownership. You make SBC Today what it is, and I look forward to what you will make of it under this new ownership!

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Debbie Kaufman

In other word this is now a full blown war. And there is not a Emir without an Ergun usually. Sorry but I hope no one from the Reformed world participates. This was never a discussion. This was always a war. One I won’t take part in.

    Tim Rogers

    Debbie,

    “a full blown war” is your words not those of Dr. Lemke. Now that it is evident you have declared war on fellow believers, I have to admit, I personally am glad you feel the way you do about your future participation at SBC Today.

      Debbie Kaufman

      I haven’t declared it Tim. You know that. You were sure to point out that a big announcement was taking place in a few days. I assume this is what you were referring to. I don’t want any war and as I said, I’ll not participate. I’m not the one declaring war Tim. Time will tell. I’m skeptical, so we’ll see won’t we.

        Debbie Kaufman

        Please guys, make me foolish in my statements. Let me be wrong. Make this a discussion in order to understand each other better and not a battle. Let love for your fellow Christian Southern Baptists who disagree with you rule this blog. I wish you well.

      Mary

      Tim, speaking of war. I just read your latest blog post about NAMB hooking up with Southern and KBC for church planting. Will there be anything posted here in the coming days about NAMB partnering with THE CALVINIST Seminary to plant churches?

    rhutchin

    A person should not participate without preparation. People have a lot of trouble with reformed theology because reformed theology accurately (I think) portrays that which the Scriptures tell us and those who think otherwise have great difficulty supporting alternative positions. Discussion is always good and for the most part, fruitful.

      Tim Rogers

      rhutchin,

      People have a lot of trouble with reformed theology because reformed theology accurately (I think) portrays that which the Scriptures tell us and those who think otherwise have great difficulty supporting alternative positions.

      You leave no alternative in your position but to say that those who disagree with Reformed Theology do not believe the Scripture. Is that what you are saying? If not, then you need to rephrase your statement.

        Debbie Kaufman

        Tim: Are you becoming the King of twisted meanings? Is it going to be that no matter what we say you are going to totally rewrite it? A good reason to not get involved in this from my perspective.

          Tim Rogers

          Debbie,

          Be a woman of your word. You said you were not going to participate.

          Tom Parker

          Debbie:

          In my years of blogging, I have only met a few people like Tim Rogers, who if you disagree with him, it becomes ugly and personal very quickly.

          But he seemingly gets a pass for this type of UN-Christlike behavior. If he is wishing to squelch participation then he is using the right tactic.

          Greg Alford

          Tom,

          I can assure from personal experience that Tim Rogers “wishes to squelch participation”…

      selahV

      hutch…you trying to marginalize folks like me? lol…just kidding. seriously though, what do you mean by “A person should not participate without preparation.” What qualifies in your thoughts as “preparation”? selahV

    Not The Original Les

    Debbie,

    I would hate to see you stop participating. Since I’ve been commenting less than a year, and have not seen much if anything by or about Emir (or Ergun), I have no idea what your concerns mean. Why does this change mean its a war?

    Les

      Debbie Kaufman

      It’s more a feeling in my bones based on past experience. I hope I’m wrong. Sincerely. We will see. I just can’t fight anymore. It goes against my conscience. I’ve seen too much bloodshed speaking metaphorically speaking, I can’t do it again. It’s been great for the last 6 years or so.

        Tom Parker

        Debbie:

        The sad part is when folks who differ are driven away these guys think that means all is well. It appears one has to participate in group think or always expect to be marginalized. You just have to be a member of the atta boy club.

        Sure seems to go against the Baptist way.

      selahV

      Les, I agree. Debbie is a very knowledgeable lady. When she engages with scripture and calvinist doctrine, she is very well-read. While I disagree with her on doctrine, I find her contributions to the “calvinist discussions” enlightening to her perspective on reformed thinking. I’ve learned alot by reading what she says. selahV

        selahV

        well, I’ve learned a lot about her perspective and her thinking on matters, anyway. Don’t know if I’ve learned what I should be learning. But I try to be discerning of most everything I read with President Reagan’s “trust but verify” advice. :)

    Tom Parker

    Debbie:

    I just do not get it that some folks only want to present just one side of an issue and shut everyone else out. I often wonder what would happen with these folks if they were on the other side.

    But as you say the war will get worse.

    What a shame that the SBC is mostly known for one word–oh no not missions but fighting!

      Cb scott

      Tom Parker,

      You are a college instructor. You should know that you used more than “one word” to identify Southern Baptists.

      You used 6 – “oh no not missions but fighting!”

      I think you need to work on your math before next semester begins, especially now that I am going to be on the advisory board.

    Chris Roberts

    Debbie,

    Take a deep breath – I don’t think a change in the head fellow will change much, and either way we can continue being as hard headed as we have always been. :) Certainly no one has declared war, and there should be no surprise that the person chosen will strongly support the Baptist Identity side while also promoting the non-Calvinist position.

    I do confess that I wish a blog called SBC Today were a bit more representative of the SBC as it exists today, but it’s their site, they can do with it as they please.

      Debbie Kaufman

      Chris: As I say I hope I’m wrong. And as Bill has said it takes two sides to fight, otherwise one side is just swinging their swords and fighting air, which is kind of my point.

      Six years ago there was a deep battle, well…actually two or three, no four battles at the same time. Some of the men who began the fray are on this blog, men who haven’t really been heard from in about 3 years. So forgive my skepticism. It’s like rumors of war between America and another nation would be confirmed if I saw Generals Power and Schwarzkopf being called back to active duty. I would begin to swing toward a possible war.

        Debbie Kaufman

        Sorry that should be Powell not Power.

        Brad Reynolds

        Debbie,
        I remember those battles myself. I also recall being one of the first “traditional” bloggers to join the already active fray that began with IMB trustees (some of the battles were abstinence/moderation of alcohol; Calvinism/non-Calvinism; IMB and tongues; etc). I will be the first to say that I gladly joined the fray over concern for my SBC and hope others (even those with whom I disagreed) had the same concern in mind. Some battles are worth fighting but I don’t think the men posting articles here were on that Trustee board.

    Bart Barber

    Debbie,

    http://youtu.be/Cv5BYEOQYLo

      Cb scott

      “Yeah!” “What is it good for? Absolutely Nothin’!”

        Robin Foster

        Was that CB “Scorched Earth Theory” Scott who just said that? :)

    Matt

    Debbie,

    Maybe Ergun, when he calls us all hyper-calvinists, will post it in “arabic” so we won’t understand it (ofcourse anyone who speaks arabic wouldn’t understand him either). haha.

      volfan007

      Matt,

      A Snickers bar and a large, cherry, diet coke always help me when I’m feeling upset, angry, and snarly….

      David

        Matt

        David,

        Maybe you should go get a Snickers and a cherry, diet coke then. If you live anywhere around the Texas D/FW metroplex, I would be happy to buy those for you. I’m always happy to help someone who is feeling upset, angry, and snarly.

        God bless

volfan007

Dr. Lemke,

Thanks for the work you’ve done at SBC Today. It’s been a blessing to my life. What has happened in this blog over the past monthes has been truly a moving of God to bring people back to good, sound, Bible(Baptist) doctrine. I appreciate your work.

Also, I’m looking forward to Dr. Emir Caner taking the riegns. I’m sure that he will continue to make this blog a “must read” blog for Southern Baptists. This is great news!

David

Brad Reynolds

Dr. Lemke
I echo the words of David. Thank you. Your contribution to the life of the SBC is immense. You have been faithful in your kind-spirit, theological and Biblical accuracy and your leadership.

I also want to thank you letting comments stand without much interference. It allows readers to see the origins of the disunity – which is always helpful if we desire unity.

    Debbie Kaufman

    Brad: OK, I’ll take the blame. You can blame a 56 year old woman for bringing disunity if that makes it easier to begin fighting. I hope I’m wrong, so far comments like this show me I may not be. I hope I am however. Now it’s time for me to exit before more of my words get twisted.

      Brad Reynolds

      Debbie,
      I was referencing the practice of allowing disunifying comments to stand in general (not any specific comment); the only comments I had in mind were those referencing us as Semi-Pelagian (heretics).
      I apologize for any confusion.

Randall Cofield

A Suggestion To Resolve the Current Theological Impasse

After six weeks of wrangling, one thing seems apparent: “Talking” about Calvinism and Neo-Traditionalism is not going to resolve our differences. Neither will “blogging” or “commenting.” This should come as no surprise, for these issues have been debated by better theologians than ourselves for the better part of 2000 years.

As Calvinists and Neo-Traditionalists, we find ourselves bound together by the commonality of the Baptist faith and the more specific denominational distinction “Southern Baptists.” Calvinists are no more or less Southern Baptists than are Neo-Traditionalists, and Neo-Traditionalists are no more or less Southern Baptists than are Calvinists. And we are stuck with each other, like it or not.

I, as a non-hyper Calvinist, do not consider my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters to be heretics. I trust that my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters do not consider me a heretic. If this be the case, I would offer the following as a solution for our current impasse.

Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Neo-Traditionalists how they should preach and proffer the Gospel, and vice versa.

Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that we cannot live, preach, and teach our beliefs with liberty in the SBC, and vice versa.

Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Neo-Traditionalists how to do mission work and plant churches, and vice versa.

Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that their leaders are unworthy of leading entities within the SBC, and vice versa.
Both Calvinists and Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to love one another with a pure heart fervently.

There is a point which is being completely overlooked in this debate: Both sides have errors in their respective theologies. As Calvinists, we do not know what our errors are, else we would correct them. Conversely, Neo-Traditionalists do not know what their errors are, else they would correct them.

If we give ourselves to the above five resolutions and to advancing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with abandon, errors on both sides of the divide will be exposed and corrected over time.

Soli Deo Gloria

PS: The fact that there are 5 resolutions in my proposal is of NO significance whatsoever. And to my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters: No, the devil did not make me do it. :-)

    Cb scott

    Randall Cofield,

    If you really do desire fellowship rather than division, then stop calling these folks “Neo-Traditionalists.” Call them Traditionalists as defined by the document rather than your desire to redefine them. Your words will hold far more credibility if you cease the arrogance and the hypocrisy.

      Randall Cofield

      CB,

      I’ll be happy to do so. Would you then reciprocate and simply call us “The Founders”? :-)

      Resolve #6: That the Founders and Traditionalists alike cease using such monikers and simply refer to one another as Southern Baptists.

      Soli Deo Gloria

        Randall Cofield

        CB,

        And perhaps a seventh resolve is needed that we cease calling one another “arrogant” and “hypocrites.”

          Cb scott

          Then cease to be such. Call these people traditionalists.

          Randall Cofield

          See what I mean?

        Cb scott

        I have always called those who are part of the Founders exactly that; Founders. And when doing so, I take into account why they call themselves that.

          Randall Cofield

          CB,

          Could you point me to a few examples of your having done so? I can’t seem to recall you using anything other than “Calvinists.”

          volfan007

          CB,

          I’m like you. I’ve always called the Founder’s type Calvinists…exactly that. Do you see, Randall and others…they call themselves the Founders. Okay? That’s what I call them, too.

          David

          Cb scott

          Believe it or not, Randall Cofield, there are Calvinists who are not part of the Founders. As a matter of fact, there are some Calvinists in this world who would not join or be identified with the Founders if you held a gun to their heads.

          Are you actually involved in the Founders Ministries? If so, I will gladly call you one.

          Randall Cofield

          CB & David,

          How about we just call one another Southern Baptists?

          Cb scott

          “Southern Baptist”

          Randall Cofield,

          Maybe you have not noticed, but that is all I have called myself during this whole debate.

      selahV

      C.B. Good morning! What a gorgeous Oklahoma day we have here. It’s a joy to awaken to the sunshine and blue skies. I pray all went well with the Build-a-Bear and your Lord’s Day was filled with glory to God. Looks like we’re off to a wonderful Monday-morning start of the week with this announcement. Have a great day today. :) selahV

        Cb scott

        SelahV,

        Good morning to you also. I trust you day has started in grand fashion, even in the SOONER NATION, bless your heart. ;-)

Randall Cofield

A Suggestion To Resolve the Current Theological Impasse

After six weeks of wrangling, one thing seems apparent: “Talking” about Calvinism and Neo-Traditionalism is not going to resolve our differences. Neither will “blogging” or “commenting.” This should come as no surprise, for these issues have been debated by better theologians than ourselves for the better part of 2000 years.

As Calvinists and Neo-Traditionalists, we find ourselves bound together by the commonality of the Baptist faith and the more specific denominational distinction “Southern Baptists.” Calvinists are no more or less Southern Baptists than are Neo-Traditionalists, and Neo-Traditionalists are no more or less Southern Baptists than are Calvinists. And we are stuck with each other, like it or not.

I, as a non-hyper Calvinist, do not consider my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters to be heretics. I trust that my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters do not consider me a heretic. If this be the case, I would offer the following as a solution for our current impasse.

Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Neo-Traditionalists how they should preach and proffer the Gospel, and vice versa.

Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that we cannot live, preach, and teach our beliefs with liberty in the SBC, and vice versa.

Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Neo-Traditionalists how to do mission work and plant churches, and vice versa.

Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that their leaders are unworthy of leading entities within the SBC, and vice versa.

Both Calvinists and Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to love one another with a pure heart fervently.

There is a point which is being completely overlooked in this debate: Both sides have errors in their respective theologies. As Calvinists, we do not know what our errors are, else we would correct them. Conversely, Neo-Traditionalists do not know what their errors are, else they would correct them.

If we give ourselves to the above five resolutions and to advancing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with abandon, errors on both sides of the divide will be exposed and corrected over time.

Soli Deo Gloria

PS: The fact that there are 5 resolutions in my proposal is of NO significance whatsoever. And to my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters: No, the devil did not make me do it. :-)

    David R. Brumbelow

    Is this from a “Neo-Calvinist”?
    David R. Brumbelow

      Randall Cofield

      No sir, just a plain old traditional founders-type Calvinist who at the end of the day is a Southern Baptist. No more a Southern Baptist than you are, and no less.

      Resolve #6: That the Founders and Traditionalists alike cease using such monikers and simply refer to one another as Southern Baptists.

Bill Mac

I think we should judge this blog like any other blog, by the content rather than fear or suspicion. Let’s see what comes out, and interact with it accordingly. I’m sure we’ll agree with some things and not with others. But I think we all need to at least start with the assumption of the best motives and intentions of the folks writing the posts and those commenting, unless they prove otherwise. It takes two combatants to make a war.

    selahV

    Bill Mac, I agree, I also think “we all need to at least start with the assumption of the best motives and intentions of the folks writing the posts and those commenting, unless they prove otherwise.”

    I know it is difficult to do when people declare war with the naming of a new blog owner. It’s sad when guests of a blog are fraught with accusations and insults lead the first comments of the day without even a congratulations to the new leader or a conciliatory good-bye to the one stepping down. Unless the world is coming to an end today, there is obviously plenty of time to spit in someone’s face if that is what they enjoy doing. My momma always told me if you can’t say something nice, then not to say anything at all. And James kinda backs that up with “let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.” 1:18-19 James tells us that we all have a tough time controlling our tongues and I suppose if he were alive today, he’d caution us on the use of our fingertips, too.

    I, for one, seek to follow the lead of Dr. Brad Reynolds, Dr. Adam Harwood, Dr. Steve Lemke, and several others like them, to be considerate of the other when I disagree. I’m praying I am able to sit on my hands and keep my thoughts to myself unless I need clarification or can add to the conversation in a positive way. I suppose no matter how positive one tries to be, it can still be perceived by some as an insult for which to be offended.
    May God bless your day, Bill Mac. selahV

      Not The Original Les

      SELAHV,

      “I know it is difficult to do when people declare war with the naming of a new blog owner.”

      To be fair, in Debbie’s words she did not declare war.

      She said,

      “In other word this is now a full blown war.” When Tim Rogers erroneously said, “Now that it is evident you have declared war on fellow believers…” Debbie responded, “I haven’t declared it Tim. You know that.”

      And I think a fair reading of that is that she did not declare war.

      God bless.

      Les

        Lydia

        I guess being accused of starting a war is better than being called a heretic or a semi heretic or leaning toward being a semi heretic or in error or leaning toward being in error.

        selahV

        Les (our guest presbyterian :), while I find this a silly debate, I can nonetheless say that the words below by sister Kaufman speak for themselves in what she said as the very first commenter of the day to the “other word [s]” of the announcement:

        “In other word this is now a full blown war. And there is not a Emir without an Ergun usually. Sorry but I hope no one from the Reformed world participates. This was never a discussion. This was always a war. One I won’t take part in.” debbie kaufman at 4:52 a.m.

        Not only does she say “this is a full blown war” she brings in the new blog-owner’s sibling as if she can read Dr. Emir Caner’s mind without one other word from him. While she may be correct in assuming the other Dr. Caner may contribute to this blog, she certainly cannot know without evidence of her said statement.

        And to be clear, Les, whether you imply or infer that my reading comprehension is lacking in interpretative understanding, gives rise to a faulty judgment and interpretation on your part. While you may redefine about any word or set of words relating to all things Calvin and Presbyterians, sister Kaufman’s comment speaks for itself and so do subsequent comments which provide little in descriptive affirmations or desire for unity. selahV

          Not The Original Les

          selahV,

          Ouch!

          “whether you imply or infer that my reading comprehension is lacking in interpretative understanding, gives rise to a faulty judgment and interpretation on your part.”

          Big hug!

          selahV

          Les, back at you. ((((spiritual hug)))) :)

        Tom Parker

        Les:

        Some people read things the way they want to. Debbie K has some very valid points that some here want to quickly dismiss so they are dismissive of her. Not nice at all.

          selahV

          brother Tommy, hardly dismissive. discerning is a better descriptor.

Chris Roberts

Dr. Lemke,

As others have said, thank you for your work on this blog and for your own willingness to jump into the fray at times. While I obviously disagree with most of the posts addressing Reformed theology, I’ve nonetheless (usually) enjoyed the discussions, and also appreciated the posts that had nothing to do with Calvinism. May God bless your future work!

Wade Burleson

Dr. Lemke,

You have done very superb job with SBC Today and I believe Dr. Caner, though he has tough shoes to fill, will do so admirably. I do appreciate the way you allow comments to stand, even those who express disagreement. Further, it has sometimes been surprising to me to see that SBC Today has linked to a few articles from my blog and highlighted my writings as something your readers should peruse. That kind of spirit is exemplary and worthy of imitation.

God’s blessings to you as you continue your ministry. Though I believe the soteriological views of the authors of SBC Today arise more from European Anabaptists than the early English Baptists (from whom the SBC had its origins), I have learned a great deal from SBC Today and believe the SBC has room for various soteriological views. Further, disagreement and theological tension in the midst of cooperation is always, in my opinion, a healthy thing. The Conformity Program would never work as well as the Cooperative Program in terms of raising dollars for missions.

In His Grace,

Wade

David R. Brumbelow

Dr. Lemke,
Thank you so much for the work you and the others at SBC Today have done. Thanks for the writing you’ve already done as well.

When I first started checking out the internet and SBC blogs I wondered why there was no one there representing what I believe, and what many have believed before me. It took me a while to find a handful of them. It continues to amaze me that often the huge majority of Southern Baptists are a very small minority at many blogs. SBC Today has had a large role in correcting this.

I look forward to the able leadership of Dr. Caner and others who will join SBC Today. This is an important, vital reservoir of information. I’m gratified it will continue under the new leadership.

Dr. Lemke, I also look forward to your continuing contributions. Keep up your good work. You are needed.
David R. Brumbelow

    selahV

    David, good to see you up and about today. I so agree that the traditional way of thinking and views I’ve held as long as I’ve been a Baptist (from Virginia, to Connecticut, to Kentucky and out here in Oklahoma), has been sorely lacking in blog-world. If not for you and a handful of others who dared digging fishing holes and presenting a place to fish, we’d have little voice at all. SBC Today was begun with the greatest intentions of helping that. I’m grateful she has grown and multiplied and is now offering such a diverse group of esteemed writers including, seminary professors, beloved pastors and leaders of our convention. The articles have been rich and I’m far more than excited. I am so grateful. Blogging is not easy. It is not for the weak of heart or the thin-skinned. It has crushed many a tender-heart and gentle spirit. Some I’ve watched bow out before “gracefully” became totally corrupted and discouraged. Others I’ve seen go behind the scenes and read while remaining vigilant in their own neck of the woods. It’s been great to watch the rise of new faces and get to know like-minded brothers and sisters. I so look forward to what God is going to do with us all. selahV

Bill Mac

I know from experience that making suggestions as to blog policy or direction does not usually go over very well, but if I could make a suggestion?

If and when possible, please encourage the post authors to engage the comments on the posts that they write. I think that produces the best and most productive dialog. Obviously you can’t be a slave to the comments, but I think engaging the comments is helpful.

selahV

Dr. Lemke, thank you so very much for taking time from your incredibly busy schedule to head SBC Today for this past year and some months. Your leadership has been invaluable to the voices of we who find ourselves in a convention in which we knew we belonged but felt little voice was being raised to show our presence in the blog world. We knew we were here. We knew our love for the SBC and the gospel of our Lord remained, yet the internet seemed to paint a different story. Your leadership here has made an invaluable mark.

I am so grateful to have met you through this site. Your wisdom and guidance has helped me a great deal. The posts you have allowed have edified and strengthened me. Thank you.

As well, my husband is now reading SBC Today with great interest and all this has given us a wonderful new conversational direction. To sit and discuss theology with him and talk about the hundreds of books he has read that complement the ideas offered here, has introduced another niche of dialogue for us. Such fun.

I also appreciate the times you have chosen to place my blog in ones most interesting to read here at SBC Today. It has challenged me to write with clarity and succinctness to know men like you are reading my words.

Praying for great success in your work in Louisiana and most especially on the ethics board. What a wonderful opportunity the Lord has given you to make a difference in your state. I look forward to future contributions you make to SBC Today and will keep you in my prayers as you move out of the hot seat here. I appreciate your heart and desire for our convention more than words can say. God bless and keep you in the center of His will. selahV

selahV

Dr. Caner,
Welcome to SBC Today. I am so excited about your presence here and look forward to seeing how you will feed our minds and spirit. I have no doubts your heart for the Lord and the spread of the Gospel is foremost in your thoughts. I know your love for our convention is very personal for how she has influenced your life and believe your loyalty to our doctrines and the identity we have will propel you forward in a positive way. May God give you wisdom, grace and a huge measure of tolerance as you edit and choose writers to edify and encourage us. I will pray for you daily. selahV

Dale Pugh

Another Suggestion To Resolve the Current Theological Impasse

Dueling pistols at twenty paces.

    Bill Mac

    Instead of pistols, how about BBQ?

    There are lots of questions to be answered, and like a good Baptist, I already have the answers.

    Which meat? (Beef)
    Cut? (brisket)
    Wood? (apple)
    Spicy? (yes)
    Sauce? (tomato based)
    Sides: (cole slaw, baked beans)
    Bread? (kaiser)

      Dale Pugh

      Bill Mac, you’re a genius! A MUCH better idea! And that way, we can just let the gluttony and cholesterol do our dirty work……

        Dale Pugh

        …..though, of course, your choice of woods is somewhat lacking in that full-bodied “traditional” flavor afforded by mesquite. And, since we’re pointing out problems in your approach, the bread should be the simple choice of our “founders”–Mrs. Baird’s white bread. Plus, you left out the need for a slice of a dill pickle…….
        Okay. I’m back to pistols.
        :-)

          Bill Mac

          I’m flexible on the bread, and have no objection to dill pickles. Being a Yankee, my only exposure to mesquite is the flavoring on those nasty ridged bbq potato chips. (chips should never be ridged).

          But it is my understanding the mesquite becomes the star of the show, rather than the meat, so I would opt for subtler flavors, fruit or nut-wood.

          Dale Pugh

          I’ll admit that the mesquite can be overpowering, and apple IS delicious smoke flavor. And you’re correct on the ridged chips!
          See how easy this is? I think we’re on to something here…..

Lydia

“When I first started checking out the internet and SBC blogs I wondered why there was no one there representing what I believe, and what many have believed before me. It took me a while to find a handful of them. ”

Ditttos!

Thanks Dr. Lemke for providing this venue and the work you put into it with the other contributors. And I am looking forward to reading more from new guys in town. I have really been impressed with the long suffering patience and kindness of the writers even though they have been called heretics, semi heretics, leaning toward being a heretic, in error, leaning toward error and so on. :o).

    selahV

    Lydia, it is indeed exciting. Hopefully we can all take a deep breath like Chris Roberts suggested to Debbie above and read with mature discernment…of spirit and of knowledge. Dr. Hankins has been beyond reproach in his tone and manner and so have many other writers here. It’s refreshing and encouraging. Have a blessed week. selahV

Dave

RANDALL COFEILD said;

A Suggestion To Resolve the Current Theological Impasse

After six weeks of wrangling, one thing seems apparent: “Talking” about Calvinism and Neo-Traditionalism is not going to resolve our differences. Neither will “blogging” or “commenting.” This should come as no surprise, for these issues have been debated by better theologians than ourselves for the better part of 2000 years.

As Calvinists and Neo-Traditionalists, we find ourselves bound together by the commonality of the Baptist faith and the more specific denominational distinction “Southern Baptists.” Calvinists are no more or less Southern Baptists than are Neo-Traditionalists, and Neo-Traditionalists are no more or less Southern Baptists than are Calvinists. And we are stuck with each other, like it or not.

I, as a non-hyper Calvinist, do not consider my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters to be heretics. I trust that my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters do not consider me a heretic. If this be the case, I would offer the following as a solution for our current impasse.

Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Neo-Traditionalists how they should preach and proffer the Gospel, and vice versa.

Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that we cannot live, preach, and teach our beliefs with liberty in the SBC, and vice versa.

Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Neo-Traditionalists how to do mission work and plant churches, and vice versa.

Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that their leaders are unworthy of leading entities within the SBC, and vice versa.
Both Calvinists and Neo-Traditionalists should resolve to love one another with a pure heart fervently.

There is a point which is being completely overlooked in this debate: Both sides have errors in their respective theologies. As Calvinists, we do not know what our errors are, else we would correct them. Conversely, Neo-Traditionalists do not know what their errors are, else they would correct them.

If we give ourselves to the above five resolutions and to advancing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with abandon, errors on both sides of the divide will be exposed and corrected over time.

Soli Deo Gloria

PS: The fact that there are 5 resolutions in my proposal is of NO significance whatsoever. And to my Neo-Traditionalist brothers and sisters: No, the devil did not make me do it. :-)

I say;

Hallelujah and Amen!

    Randall Cofield

    Dave,

    I don’t see any other way of resolving this, do you?

    Blessings, brother

Nelson Banuchi

It seems James White has brought certain seemingly legitimate reservations re: Emir Caner. See: http://aomin.org/results.html?cx=015138337201457149671%3Adhrmihpmjl0&cof=FORID%3A11&q=emir+caner&sa=Search&siteurl=http%3A%2F%2Faomin.org%2Faoblog%2Findex.php%3Fitemid%3D5129.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    volfan007

    James White? lol.

    David

      Mary

      I think Jimmie is just envious of men who hold real doctorates – not the ones you get in the store front diploma mills like his.

        Jacob Hall

        Where is your doctorate from Mary?

          Mary

          Not that it’s actually relavant, but I don’t have one and I’ve never claimed to have one.

          But yeah, I know the Jimmie sycophants think his store front diploma is actually better than degrees from accreditated institutions – go figure.

          Lydia

          Mary, What is the name of your apologetics ministry you want people to donate to?

      selahV

      David, that is laughable. No one could be less qualified to offer “legitimate” reservations. Reservations, certainly. But that is all. selahV

      Greg Alford

      David,

      That is really a rather “Ugly Comment” even coming from you…

        volfan007

        “even coming from you.” Wow, Greg, you come in here condemning people for being mean and nasty, whenever you’re being mean and nasty. lol.

        And yes, I am laughing about someone bringing an accuation from someone, who is obsessed, and who is mean spirited, and who is on attack mode, into this announcement about a new manager of the blog. I dont have much confidence in Mr. White, although his book on the KJV Only controversy was good. Yet still, to bring in Mr. White to this conversation is humorous, and not in a good way.

        David

          Greg Alford

          David,

          “Wow, Greg, you come in here… “

          Excuse me, but I did not realize this was your “private” playground?

          You calling James White “Mean Spirited” is just… LOL Time :-)

          Anyway, have a great day and I’ll go play in someone else’s sand box for a while… “I wonder what they are doing over at Anabaptist-Today.com?

          volfan007

          Greg,

          You sound like such an irenic, nice fella. Something that always helps me when I’m having a bad day is to go to the Sonic, and get a large, cherry, diet coke…and also get a Super Sonic cheeseburger with grilled onions and mayo only….life calms down and everything seems good after that. Try it, Greg.

          David

          Cb scott

          “I wonder what they are doing over at Anabaptist-Today.com?”

          Well Greg Alford,

          The last time I visited the Anabaptists, they were running from the Catholics and the Calvinists, singing, “Catch Me If You Can.”

          John

          cb,

          John

          Cb,
          With Emir Caner calling Traditionalist – Anabaptists I guess you better buy yourself some new running shoes monthly.

          You can find the statement at around the 8:50 mark of his Talk SBC video. Happy Running from the spirits of Catholics and the Calvinists, Cb scott

          volfan007

          Hey John, did you see where I said that a Snickers candy bar and a large, cherry, diet coke helps when not feeling so good?

          David

      Donald Holmes

      “James White has brought certain seemingly legitimate reservations”

      volfan007,
      My same initial reaction. I know why I have trouble with “Jame White” and “legitimate reservations” being in the same sentence, but laughed all the more since Nelson also couldn’t get it out with out adding the “seemingly” proviso.

    Nelson Banuchi

    Wow, had not realized the name “James White” would bring such negative emotions to the forum! Surprised me. I guess I’m not in the know about how people (Baptist?) feel about him and his ministry.

    Well, just to let you know, I’m not particularly impressed with White either, nor with his credentials (althought I hold none) – since they seem to be mostly online degrees – nevertheless, if anyone knows about the controversy White seems to be eager to stir, it would be appreciated. I haven’t really listened to White’s objections but he seems to hold that Emir (esp. his brother Ergun) are not being honest with their credential or testimony (and he has some Arabic guy “disprove” Ergun’s knowledge of the Arabic language).

    If possible, you guys can put me into a website that would clarify Emir’s (and Ergun’s) credentials, it would be appreciated.

    P.S. White’s also got this thing against Geisler but that’s another story. Actually, I don’t think White is a very contented fellow unless he’s debating someone on his terms and disparaging their exegetical abilities.

Darryl W

One suggestion to the SBCToday staff. Change the comments format! It is difficult to keep a thread going because of the format. A forum type comments section would be easier to navigate. IMO.

    volfan007

    Or, at least, make a place where we can have follow up comments to our comments sent to our emails, or something…as it is now, if a comment thread has 100 comments…you have to scroll thru all 100 to see if anyone responded to what you said at comment # 43, or #30, etc.

    David

    Chris Roberts

    They used to say that if you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door. Today, the same is true, but for better comment systems.

Lydia

….it only takes a spark to get a fire going…..

    Randall Cofield

    Lydia,

    …and only a drop of water to douse a spark….

    Should I expect you as a distinguished signatory on my Seven Suggestions to Resolve the Current Theological Impasse? (see below)

      Lydia

      Randall,

      I am a proliferic commenter but you are a mutant neo-proliferic commenter.

      I do have one question about your 7 suggestions:

      How do I know we have the same definitions for each word? (wink)

        Randall Cofield

        Free dictionary for the first 800 signatories. :-)

          Lydia

          No Randall. YOUR defintion for each word. And “is” counts. Remember Clinton?

          You guys are sneaky about definitions.

        Randall Cofield

        Lydia,

        “proliferic”?? Did I mention a free dictionary to the first 800 signatories? :-)

          Lydia

          You are fruitful, right?

          Randall Cofield

          Lydia,

          “prolific,” perhaps… :-)

          Lydia

          “Lydia,

          “prolific,” perhaps… :-)

          Yikes! You are right. Can I blame it on my Android Voice Recognition? Southerners put an “er” in everything.

          Not The Original Les

          Lydia,

          “Can I blame it on my Android Voice Recognition?”

          Well that’s the problem. Android is the point of original guilt.

          Should have an iPhone.

Clark Dunlap

Dr. Lemke thanks for the work you have done, while we disagree on some finer points of theology I appreciate your moderation of this blog.

Sadly, true to your words concerning mean-spirited language on these blogs, Tom and CB started in on people again, without delay.

Maybe the good Dr. Caner will limit the postings of people who constantly go for the jugular.

Cofield’s suggestions seemed very restorative and fair, sorry if the “new-tradtionalists” offended, though it doesn’t seem offensive to me, but I certainly won’t use it if its offensive. But I cannot bring myself to call those that disagree with my more reformed Baptist leanings, “Traditionalists.” That’s just as offensive (even ridiculous) to me. Majoritarian, mainstream, typical all seems like possible descriptors to me, but I am certainly open to suggestions!

I will endeavor to abide by Cofield’s 5 or 6 or 7 recomendations to help build unity with my Southern Baptist Brothers.

I just wonder if anyone is going to twist my words.

(Sorry for any typos, its hard to proofread though the tears.)

    Cb scott

    “its hard to proofread though the tears.”?????

    Clark Dunlap,

    You are joking, right? Surely this has not brought you to such tears?

    If you are crying over this, how shall you contend with Nutcase Deacons, Wild Geese, and Narcissistic Antagonists in your ministry? How shall you contend with Music Ministers and Christian School Headmasters? How shall you contend with the Ladies of the WMU?

    I suggest meditation on Jeremiah 12:5 and a dose of “Cowboy-Up.”

      SAGordon

      Nice! (& not necessarily play nice, but nice shot!)

        Cb scott

        Scott Gordon,

        I have been thinking about revealing why Lemke and gang had to take over this blog from Rogers and gang in the first place.

        You think I should make the truth known?

      Jason

      “How shall you contend with the Ladies of the WMU?”

      That made me spit out my coke!

    Randall Cofield

    Clark,

    Brother, I don’t think it was ever a question of “if,” but “when.” And the answer is one hour, nine minutes.

    Peace

    Randall Cofield

    CB,

    I might also be suggested that you meditate on Jer. 9:1….

    Oh that my head were waters, and my eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!

      Cb scott

      Randall Cofield,

      I will put that on my “to-d0 list,” but right now I am kinda busy rewording Wiley Drake’s Imprecatory Prayer Resolution for the Houston SBC.

David Daffern

Steve,

There hasn’t been much “glory,” and you’ve had to put up with a lot of “stuff” in the past 18 months. Thank you for having big enough shoulders for the task.

Well done!

Randall Cofield

Seven Suggestions To Resolve the Current Theological Impasse

1) Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Traditionalists how they should preach and proffer the Gospel, and vice versa.

2) Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that we cannot live, preach, and teach our beliefs with liberty in the SBC, and vice versa.

3) Calvinists should resolve to avoid telling Traditionalists how to do mission work and plant churches, and vice versa.

4) Traditionalists should resolve to avoid telling Calvinists that their leaders are unworthy of leading entities within the SBC, and vice versa.

5) Both Calvinists and Traditionalists should resolve to drop all pejorative and self-serving monikers and simply address one another as brothers and sisters in Christ.

6) Both Calvinists and Traditionalists should resolve to refrain from the use of divisive descriptors such as “arrogant,” “heretical,” and “hypocritical.”

7) Both Calvinists and Traditionalists should resolve to love one another with a pure heart fervently.

There is a point which is being completely overlooked in this debate: Both sides have errors in their respective theologies. As Calvinists, we do not know what our errors are, else we would correct them. Conversely, Traditionalists do not know what their errors are, else they would correct them. As it stands now, neither side is capable of correcting the other.

If we give ourselves to the above seven resolutions and to advancing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with abandon, errors on both sides of the divide will be exposed and corrected over time.

Soli Deo Gloria

    Randall Cofield

    At this point, less than 800 persons have signed the Seven Suggestions To Resolve the Current Theological Impasse document, including all key leaders from every level of Southern Baptist life. You may sign it by adding your name in the “reply” section below.

      Not The Original Les

      Randall,

      Sign me up.

      Randall Cofield

      Thanks, Les. Did I mention we have free cigars and brandy for the first 800 signatories?

        Not The Original Les

        Randall,

        ” Did I mention we have free cigars and brandy for the first 800 signatories?”

        Well you know, I’m a Presbyterian…I mean a Southern Baptist…Oh, how is it some say, Baptisterian? Presbapterist?

        Anyway, the cigars sound great. Brandy? I prefer single malt scotch, preferably at least 12 years aged. But my new summer choice is gin and tonic with a bit of lime. Nice drink for the summer.

        Will this comment blow up the thread?

          selahV

          Les, no, that comment won’t “blow up the thread”. However, for the new thousands of readers who are now visiting these threads who have never seen what this new-calvinism and sidebar issues have revealed, you are doing a great job of helping expose all parts of your views for Southern Baptists who abstain. :) Thanks. selahv

          Not The Original Les

          selahV,

          “you are doing a great job of helping expose all parts of your views for Southern Baptists who abstain.”

          No worries. You refer to me as “our guest presbyterian,”, remember? To be expected. It’s the Presby side of me that enjoys all of God’s good gifts. :-)

          selahV

          les, you’re so funny. ;)
          I enjoy all of God’s “good” gifts too. You don’t happen to dine on nettles and poisonous mushrooms too, do you?….. nevermind. How silly of me. If you did, you probably wouldn’t be here.

          BTW, What do you do in your spare time, Les? I mean, between comments; do you study the finer points of stalking women bloggers like Lydia, Mary, Myself and Debbie? :)

          Not The Original Les

          selahV,

          “I enjoy all of God’s “good” gifts too. You don’t happen to dine on nettles and poisonous mushrooms too, do you?….. nevermind.”

          No, I assume they don’t taste too good and I wouldn’t get to enjoy them long. I also don’t eat the leaves of the toxicodendron radicans. Yuck!

          “BTW, What do you do in your spare time, Les? I mean, between comments; do you study the finer points of stalking women bloggers like Lydia, Mary, Myself and Debbie?””

          Well besides the usual magisterial duties Lydia has assigned to me, I actually am the director of a non-profit caring for orphans in Haiti. We raise $$ here to partner with evangelical Baptist churches there to assist them. I leave Wednesday for another trip to Haiti (I take groups there 4-5 times per year). So y’all will miss me I know Wednesday thru Monday. Right??

          https://haitiorphanproject.org/

          Les

          Lydia

          “Well besides the usual magisterial duties Lydia has assigned to me, I actually am the director of a non-profit caring for orphans in Haiti”

          Monsterous Regiment of Women. Queen Lydia.

          Not The Original Les

          How about that?

          “You may sign it by adding your name in the “reply” section below.”

          You’ve managed to recruit selahV and Lydia to sign on.

          Way to go sir!

John

Randall,
Your statement seems semi-SPURGEON to me. Your affirmations are outweighed by your denials with no exegesis. You have no preamble and by taking this stance I might have to give glory to God. To follow this I might have to give glory to common sense and that I need time to pray about. I am considering offering my Statement to Christ and dropping the SBC and all this infighting that does not Glorify God. When History shows a pattern time and time again it gets easier to predict the future and I am no Prophet.

    volfan007

    John,

    I have learned much from my interaction in blogs. My understanding has been expanded. My faith has been strengthened. I have been challenged. I have been inspired. I have even been raked over the coals in these blogs. But, I can certainly tell a difference in my faith and understanding since I’ve been interacting in these blogs these past 6 years or so.

    Like Hariette said above…blogs are not for the thin skinned, and they’re not for the faint of heart. But, if you’ll hang in there, you’ll be expanded and stretched from being in them. And, like Bob said below, there’s been times when I’ve gotten so frustrated that I’ve quit blogging….and, some people can really act ugly in blogs….but, again, Brother….I’ve grown from them.

    So, why jump ship just because there’s a little controversy? a little disagreement? Are you married?

    David

      John

      David,
      volfan007
      I did not say I would quit blogging I said I may leave the SBC. God asked me to become one flesh with a wife not a denomination. God asked me to become a bride to Christ not a denomination. I have seen a pattern of hatred inside the SBC over the years. It is often direct towards leaders that are working the hardest at bringing scripture to the unsaved. Any slip up of any kind is persecuted to the fullest within the SBC by the SBC fighters and other competitive SBC leaders. Not done according to what scripture prescribes but how the flesh does things in the world through mocking and rumors. My God asked me to spend my time making disciples. Ask anyone of the SBC fighters if they need saving and they all will unite saying they are saved. So they sure don’t need discipleship. Ask any of the SBC fighters if they are fighting for the unsaved and once again they will unite with a resounding affirmation. The SBC is happy in its methods of fighting within the SBC. The Traditional “majority” leaders and fighters have made it clear over the last 30 days it views.

      I am placing my effort in what God instructed me to do in the the scriptures. I never wanted tier 3 issues to be raised to tier 2 issues. Others do. I have not been happy in how I have acted over the last 30 days and continually need to repent for some of my thoughts and posting regarding “soteriology”. I won’t apologize or repent for how the Holy Spirit has worked with me on “soteriology”. Nor is there any need for folks that have differing views on “soteriology” that are lead by the Spirit to apologize or repent. For His reasons God wants us to have differences. God also wants us to treat brothers in Christ with love. This war has not, nor is not going to bring about love. So I will not fight this war of “soteriology” any longer. If the SBC surrenders to love before the war fully breaks out then I will stay in the SBC. If what I have seen over the last 30 days is just the beginning salvos of war and hate, then I will leave the SBC just like I expect others may do. I have seen many come hear and post for peace and they are either ignored or mocked. So mock on I am thick skinned and a fighter for God, not a fighter for the flesh.

        volfan007

        JOhn,

        I was not mocking you. What makes you think I was?

        David

          John

          Sorry David,
          The mocking statement was a general statement not intended for you per-se. I can see from what I wrote how you would have perceived that. Enjoy the wars. That is a general statement for the fighters and I see you as a fighter not that you do not love Christ, but a fighter over tier 3 “soteriology” enjoying it as a tier 2 issue. That is where we part ways.

        Cb scott

        “God asked me to become a bride to Christ not a denomination. I”

        John,

        Just you? You, by yourself, have been called to become a “bride” to the Lord?

        WOW! That beats the Jehovah Witness guys. They had it down to 144,000!

          Cb scott

          John,

          I am gifted at helping people in need. Yu are obviously in need. Let me help you.

          What Vol was doing is not mocking. What I am doing is.

          John

          CB,
          Enjoy the war. I do not mind that you mock me and take me out of context. You have proven yourself a mighty out of context fighter. See you at the Corrective Theology 101 class at the rapture, if not sooner.

    Randall Cofield

    John,

    “Semi-SPURGEON”? You mean that anti-missions, orphan-serving, pastoral college-building, Gospel-preaching Calvinist from the 19th century who saw more conversions in his ministry than all of us on these threads put together will have in our lifetime? I’m deeply offended…

    “…by taking this stance I might have to give glory to God….”

    Now, wouldn’t that be a hoot…? :-)

    Soli Deo Gloria

Bob Hadley

Dr. Lemke,

Thank you for your work in reviving SBC Today. As it has already been said, your efforts to make this a forum for people to talk with one another has been beneficial for me as I have learned from the presentation of the differing views. At times, it has been enlightening as well as frustrating but that is the nature of blogs. I am a “new kid” on the block so I am very appreciative of your input here and your friendship personally.

May God continue to bless the work of SBC Today and the new owners and may He continue to bless you sir, and the SBC for His glory and the benefit of a lost and dying world that desperately needs Jesus!

><>”

CW Griffith

Looking forward to seeing what new directions Dr. Caner might take this blog towards in the future. This is indeed exciting news. Dr. Lemke thank you for the time and dedicated effort in getting this blog up and going again. This blog is very much a needed voice in the SBC today.

    selahV

    CW, amen.

    Randall Cofield

    CW & SelahV,

    I think that if Dr. Caner’s interview about the “Calvinism” issue posted earlier on this site is any indication, not much will change….

      Bob Hadley

      Randall,

      There is an indication of progress… we finally agree on something!

      ><>”

Cb scott

SBC TODAY history: A Bl0gger’s Tale

SBC TODAY was one of the more powerful blogs back in the days of the IMB wars. At times it gave OUTPOST, VOICES, IMPACT, and GRACE AND TRUTH TO YOU a fight for #1 in the Baptist Blog world. Wes Kenny, Tim Rogers, and Robin Foster were movers and shakers among bloggers. Young upstart bloggers hurried up to them at annual SBC meetings begging them to sign their Apples, PCs, and Smart Phones.

cb and Scott Gordon contributed from time-to-time and the page views were in the thousands. Then, one day Scott Gordon and cb decided they wanted to go out on their own as Black Flag Mercenary commenters owing loyalty to no one in particular, just taking the highest bids for their expert commenting abilities.

Foster, Kenny, and Rogers continued on. They borrowed a Webster’s Dictionary from Ben Cole so they could use big words in their posts since cb and Scott Gordon had left their ranks.

Then, out of the blue, disaster struck. Ben Cole went to work in DC and had to take his Webster’s Dictionary with him so he could write speeches for Republican congressmen in Washington.

Rogers, Kenny, and Foster got by for a while but readers became tired of blog post using words like: Yes, No, Maybe, Yep, Naw, Huh-Huh, and “I agree, don’t you, Wes?, I don’t know, Tim. Ask Robin.”

Viewers fell off like roaches off of a can of RAID. Lemke and his merry band of NOBTS pards came in to save the day. Things have gone pretty well. But nothing stays the same, as you all know.

So, the Baptist Blog World now welcomes the new owners of SBC TODAY. Emir Caner and the boys from Georgia will take the led now. And I have heard they have their own Webster’s Dictionary, the Collegiate Edition so they won’t run out of big words. Folks, I think we can expect great things in the future for SBC TODAY.

    selahV

    C.B., yeah, but ya better watch out for those little old WMU ladies. We brook no arguments. We wear no-run support-hose with goad-resistant toes and prayer-packed knee-pads. :) selahV

    Lydia

    Wow CB. I could hear the banjo stummin’ when I read that. Of course the wild west Outpost is gone paved over and gone metro urban with spikey or shaved head YRR who would not know a Colt from a Stetson. All hat no cattle. We are gettin old.

    Bob Hadley

    CB…

    Tell me that your nickname is not Red Neckerson! As I read this piece that was what came to my mind. I am confident you remember that one!

    ><>”

      Cb scott

      Bob,

      My nickname was Babe, not Red. On occasion some called me Blue. On other occasions some called me other things. During the 1983 annual BGAV meeting when I challenged the Baptist Hospital in Lynchburg about performing abortions, I was called things I had not heard even when a pagan.

      But you, my friend:

      “You can call me Ray or you can call me Jay.
      Just don’t call me washed up, I do three shows a day.
      cb scott doesn’t sleep in the ground.
      Yes I’m still alive an I’m making me sound.
      vup hi vup hala voop voop.
      So sit back, relax, and watch our review!”

    peter lumpkins

    CB,

    I told you not to post that stuff I gave you. Doggoneit! I’m never giving you nothing else.

    With that, I am…
    Peter

    P.S. Just wishin I thought of it. Hilarious, brother. You brightened my morning. :^O

    Btw, our chat in NOLA was entirely meaningful to me. We simply must meet more often between Birmingham and Carrollton to coffee and chat…

      Cb scott

      Peter,

      Yes, we must. I shall be most glad to drive eastward on any possible occasion.

    Robin Foster

    CB

    :)

Steve Lemke

CB,
Your reflections on the history of SBC Today make me realize that we are in the midst of greatness and did not realize it. Your narration of its history is enriched with profound insights and poignant penache. NOBTS is approaching its centennial; would you be open to writing a history?
(:-)
swl

    Cb scott

    Dr. Lemke,

    I will be honored to write the NOBTS history for the centennial celebration, especially since I am the same age as the seminary and have spent half of those years there working on my doctorate.

      Tim G

      CB,
      Will you agree to preach my funeral – please! That was great!

        Cb scott

        Tim G.,

        Yes, but not today if you don’t mind.

Max

Dr. Lemke – It appears that you came into the blog-world for such a time as this. From my vantage point, you put all your might into that which was in your hand to do in the season you served at SBC Today. Thank you, sir. God bless your new endeavors.

Dr. Caner – Welcome to your leadership role at SBC Today. If you have processed your way through the upstream comments, you know what’s in store. I have no doubt that you are equipped to carry the burden of the Lord in this regard. God bless you as you move forward on this assignment.

Not The Original Les

Ok, so I had not heard of Emir Caner prior to the last SBC and his video interview on this site. So I googled and found this:

“The military found a stockpile of pornography in Osama Bin Laden’s compound. I didn’t know Muslims had their own Acts 29 network.”

This was really tweeted by the bible college prez?

Les

    volfan007

    Lighten up, Les. C’mon, that’s obviously a joke, because of Driscoll’s sex sermons…and book…

    David

      Tom Parker

      007:

      Do you regularly make jokes about sex? And you telling someone to lighten up–really?

        volfan007

        Tom,

        Snickers candy bar….diet, cherry coke…..

        David

    Not The Original Les

    David,

    Well if it was about Driscoll, why not just use Driscoll’s name? Why make a such a joke referencing all of Acts 29?

    And do you approve of such jokes about groups of Christians?

      volfan007

      Les,

      If it’s funny, I do. I like a College President with a down home sense of humor.

      David

        Not The Original Les

        Ok, so did you hear the one about the Traditionalist pastor who was asked by one of his deacon candidates…”So pastor, what’s the doctrine of the imputed righteousness of Christ mean exactly?”

        Traditionalist Pastor, “We don’t believe in that doctrine Bob.”

        Ha ha ha.

          volfan007

          Les,

          I think you’re missing the whole point of what humor is supposed to be.

          David

          Not The Original Les

          I especially was struck with what Norm said in his post this morning on this site:

          “Digital jest hardly comes off that way. Usually, it offends.”

          Amen. I hope you can see my point.

          Les

    Donald Holmes

    Les,
    Thanks for sharing this from Emir. I laughed as much this time as I did when this first came out. Of course, he apologized for crossing the line. You much have missed that, else I am sure you would have mentioned it…

    “I have come to realize over the past few days that Driscoll’s vulgarity is far too serious an issue to simply put out a satirical tweet. While it is easy to find Driscoll crossing the line (see articles by John MacArthur and Cathy Mickels) it should not be likewise with me, and for that I apologize” – Emir Caner

      Not The Original Les

      Donald,

      Hmmm. Nuanced comes to mind. But where is the mention of Acts 29? He didn’t mention Driscoll in the tweet. I think the ones involved in Acts 29 who have never used vulgarities in the pulpit and writing might have been offended.

      But, oh well.

Bart Barber

While Twitter and Facebook have been pushing blogging aside, you have led a blog through a stratospheric re-ascension. That’s a remarkable accomplishment by a remarkable man. Congratulations.

Best wishes to the new management. May God be glorified by our blogging.

Bart Barber

I was tempted to add the line “there was something in everything about you.” I thought that might connect with an old dude like you. ;-)

Jeremy Crowder

I respect Dr. Emir Caner at least what I know about him but regret that New Orleans Seminary won’t be behind the blog. To me having a connection to an offical SBC Seminary was a big plus to this blog and one of the draws for me. However I look forward to what Dr. Caner brings to the blog and hope it is top quality as I’m sure it will be.

peter lumpkins

Dr. Lemke,

Including an outstanding role in making this blog successful, you, my brother, are a gentleman and a Christ-like model from whom we could all learn to better communicate. I honor both your mind and heart and have come to appreciate you more as personally indicative of what’s good and excellent about Southern Baptist academia.

Grace brother.
With that, I am…
Peter

Robin Foster

Dr Lemke

Thanks for carrying on with the blog. Hope you have a good rest.

Robin

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