Archive for Religious Liberty
Podcast Episode 16
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The Thanksgiving week edition of the SBC Today podcast includes discussions about the Manhattan Declaration, the Georgia Baptist Convention’s removal of a member church, and our Thanksgiving travel plans. We enjoyed the discussion, and hope you will, as well.
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A True Pattern of Prayer
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Does Your Church Celebrate the 4th?
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The Battle of Trenton is believed to have been the turning point of the American Revolution. It galvanized the psyche of the Americans as to their objective. It is this battle that the picture to the left portrays as Washington crosses the Delaware River heading to Trenton. Two items that is seldom reported about this battle are the causalities and ones tradition records were present. The Americans suffered 4 wounded casualties. It is said that in addition two American soldiers froze to death. Those present at this battle included two other future presidents James Madison and James Monroe, the future Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Marshall, Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. Oh, some other things that we need to remember. Washington’s Army did not all get across the river. There was a sleet and snow storm that set in around 11pm on December 24, 1776 and delayed Washington from reaching Trenton until 3am December 25, 1776. Also, Washington fought only one troop of British soldiers, the rest were German Hessian soldiers.
Do not forget the lives of thos that fought for us and gave their lives, land, and even their families in order for us to have our freedom. But most of all, do not forget the One who gave His life for us to be free from sin. Have a great 4th.
Dissent, Religious Liberty, and Dr. Bart Barber
Posted by: | CommentsRecently Dr. Bart Barber posted an article on his blog Praisegod Barebones that dealt with dissent and religious liberty. Baptist are living in a time where influences from the world are becoming prevalent in our conversations. One such area is the repackaging and redefining of Baptist historical theology in the way of terms and identity. Below, Dr. Barber has presented a correction to the unfortunate twisting of dissent and religious liberty as Baptists see it.
The idea of dissent as a virtue—whether a Baptist virtue or otherwise—is among the most nonsensical theories promulgated among mankind.
Dissent is neither a virtue nor a vice, so far as its intrinsic properties go. Dissenting to pay your taxes is generally a vice. Dissenting to participate in a plot to assassinate the President is generally a virtue. The act of dissenting, in and of itself, is neither noble nor vile—’tis all in the subject matter of one’s dissent.
Dissent is a part of the Baptist story, but dissent is not a distinctive of Baptist identity (or if it is, it has often been a part of the darker side of our identity). Where dissent is laudatory in Baptist life, it is because Baptists were willing to take unflinching stands on matters that other people saw differently or deemed tertiary.
Although dissent is not a Baptist distinctive, religious liberty is. Baptists are a people committed to religious liberty for all people. What is religious liberty? It is important to know, for false versions of this principle are seemingly omnipresent. Religious liberty is the conviction that the temporal sword ought not to be employed in strictly spiritual matters. So, unless it has to do with policemen, armed troops, vigilante mobs, judicial rulings, or legislative dictates, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Baptist principle of religious liberty.
Indeed, it was the conviction of our Baptist forebears that churches and associations had the obligation to govern their own affairs according to their doctrinal convictions. It was precisely because they wanted to be more strict WITHIN their own churches that they wanted the government to be less strict—nay, uninvolved altogether—in governing their churches from without. Those who made scruples over baptism and regenerate church membership, believing in a more restrictive purity in church membership were the Baptist objects of state-sponsored persecution. Religious liberty enabled Baptists to form congregations composed only of those who did not dissent from their pursuit of obedience to Christ’s commands.
Certainly there is not the slightest scintilla of biblical witness for dissent as virtue. There are, however, volumes of evidence for the idea that the temporal sword ought not to be wielded in spiritual matters. There are two realms, typified by Roger Williams’s idea of the “Two Tables of the Law.” The Baptist position is not that spiritual matters ought not to be governed, but simply that the state has not the authority to govern them. Rather, that authority belongs solely to the church. The effect of course, is that every individual has liberty—if one differs with the governing decisions of one’s church, one can leave it and join with (or even form) another church more to one’s liking, and the church cannot invoke the powers of the state to stop it. Our commitment to religious liberty means that we believe it is the obligation of the government not to punish dissent over matters strictly dealing with one’s relationship with God.
Yet the biblical model is a church strictly and powerfully governed. I almost mentioned this in my earlier post about the death penalty—the early church not only wasn’t opposed to the death penalty, but they also executed it themselves. But please note, they did it by exercise of the spiritual sword—the power of God—and not by the power of the government. The church that slays people for discrepancies in their contribution statements bears absolutely no resemblance to these modern-day coffee klatches so careful to tiptoe around matters that God has declared but people have relegated to tertiary status, but it also resembles not at all the church so spiritually weak that it must call upon soldiers or policemen to do its fighting for it.
I’m thankful for the Baptist commitment to religious liberty. It reminds the government not to presume to take up authority that belongs to God alone. It reminds the church not to trust in chariots or horses. Let’s not mutilate it into yet another postmodern exaltation of “diversity” over substance. We belong neither to pre-modern society, modern society, nor post-modern society. We are citizens of Heaven, and once we arrive there, dissent will be entirely a thing of our past. Thank you, Lord.
Wall of Separation or a Fence to Mark Boundaries?
Posted by: | CommentsBecause religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.–Thomas Jefferson(From the various quotes of Jefferson on Politics and Government. Emphasis mine)
“One of the amendments to the Constitution… expressly declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,’ thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others.” –Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:382 (Emphasis mine)
Some in Baptist circles would have one believe that a pastor cannot state his scriptural beliefs about certain political positions. I am not referring to endorsing a candidate; I do not believe that a pastor should endorse a candidate for public office from the pulpit. At the same time a pastor should not be held hostage from sharing his beliefs if asked to do so by a member of his congregation.
While Thomas Jefferson’s letter, written to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802, speaks about a wall of separation, it is clear from his other writings that he did not mean for this law to keep the person in public office from relying on his faith as a basis for making decisions. I must admit that I am over my head in understanding the intricacies of this subject. Because of that I read and listen to others that have much more intelligence than I concerning this issue. Listen to Pastor Ronnie Rogers third sermon (click below for the audio). He expresses it much more intelligently than I.
Revisionists and Baptist Dissent
Posted by: | CommentsWe are pleased to present, in our latest audio resource, a sermon series on “Those Darn Baptists” preached by Ronnie W. Rogers. He serves as the senior pastor of Trinity Baptist Church in Norman, Oklahoma. Click here for biographical information about Pastor Rogers, and be sure to visit his blog.
Today, we present the second message in this series. Click below to listen to this second message in the series, then feel free to come back to this post to comment on what you’ve heard.
The continual revision of historical perspectives does much to undermine both our theology and our ecclesiology. Ronnie Rogers does an admirable job of demonstrating the fact that the hallowed phrase ‘separation of church and state’ appears nowhere in the Constitution and also frames the context of Thomas Jefferson’s correspondence with the Danbury Baptist Association. His perspective of dissenters especially in the context of Baptist stalwarts such as Obadiah Homes and John Leland are a welcome corrective to the one-sided drum beat that continually strips the public square of any reference to the Lord. Attempts to adjust the establishment clause and reinterpret the free exercise portion of the First Amendment have created a place where references to God are politically incorrect in the public domain. The sermon leaves me with a couple of burning questions which I hope are not the result of heartburn.
- How do we as Baptists maintain a true conception of religious liberty with the current reconstruction of the First Amendment?
- Do you think pastors of today would be willing to suffer such persecution to maintain the biblical distinctive of believer’s baptism by immersion?
A Misunderstood Principle
Posted by: | CommentsOur focus at SBC Today is on those beliefs and principles that have identified Baptists throughout history. Perhaps none of these principles is more distinctively Baptist, yet more misunderstood in our postmodern secular society than that of religious liberty.
We are pleased to present, in our latest audio resource, a sermon series on the subject preached by Ronnie W. Rogers. He serves as the senior pastor of Trinity Baptist Church in Norman, Oklahoma. Click here for biographical information about Pastor Rogers, and be sure to visit his blog.
Today, we present the first message in this series, titled, “Those Darn Baptists.” In this message, he lays much groundwork for what will come in subsequent messages, and challenges many of our current notions about what is meant by a “separation of church and state.”
Click below to listen to this message, then feel free to comment on what you’ve heard.
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A True Pattern of Prayer:
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