Archive for IMB Issues
Podcast Episode 25
Posted by: | Comments
It’s been a few weeks since our last podcast. Okay, it’s been two months. But the important thing is, we’re back. David was unable to join in the fun, but the rest of us forged ahead, and recorded less than fifteen minutes before we ran out of steam. We’re out of practice, and need to pace ourselves. We’ll do our best to get back on a regular schedule of weekly podcasts, but in the meantime, enjoy this abbreviated discussion which mainly focused on the upcoming vacancies in the president’s office at three of our SBC entities.
You can listen to the podcast using the player below, or you can subscribe in iTunes by clicking on the image in this post or on the link in the sidebar. Share in the comments here your suggestions for how we can improve the podcast, and take a moment to give us a rating or a review on our iTunes page. Thanks as always for listening, and we’ll be back for more podcasting fun next week.
A New Life for a Dead Camel in the New York Times
Posted by: | CommentsJust when one thinks something has been debated ad nauseum we find others take up interest. The New York Times recently ran an article on Dr. Ergun Caner’s disagreement with The Camel Method. This came to their attention through our podcast #21 where Dr. Caner made some bold statements and even had to apologize because his passion over rode his verbal abilities. What is amazing is The Times did not pick up our podcast #24 where Dr. Caner was more explicit about his disagreements with The Camel Method.
Unprecedented Change/Unprecedented Charges **UPDATED**
Posted by: | CommentsWe need a Great Commission Resurgence no doubt. The $250,000.00 question seems to scream; What do we need to do in order to see this resurgence become a reality?
We have had a Great Commission Resurgence Task Force chosen and meeting together since last August. They have presented a progress report and have now issued a statement concerning the report. I believe the quote that should raise everyone’s eyebrows is;
Additionally, our final report and recommendations are a commitment towards a future vision. While a future vision will contain matters that are occurring presently, there is no need for a future vision if all we do is replicate our present.
It seems that the report was merely a shot across the SBC Zion bow in order to see how much turn the convention could take. It seems that the convention has seen a response that the GCR Task Force did not anticipate. Thus, the purpose behind the issuing of a statement that the report was not a final word.
We have seen an unprecedented move by a task force to present items to the convention concerning changes at entities without even consulting the entities that were being recommended for change. Of course some have asked about seminaries and with two seminary presidents sitting on the task force, it would have been very difficult to merge seminaries. Though there is rumor that was something discussed. There seems to be a burning question as to the purpose of NAMB being the only entity that is recommended for change. Does one believe that the IMB is operating at is best potential? As we move forward we see another unprecedented action has emerged.
Never have I seen presidents of entities openly and publicly shooting at each other. Certainly we had the President of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary place a charge against the President of the International Mission Board. However, two things I need to remind our readers. First, Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary is not a Southern Baptist Seminary. While the Thomas Road Baptist Church is part of the Southern Baptist Convention, the seminary is not supported and funded by the SBC Cooperative Program. Second, Dr. Caner issued both a public and private apology to Dr. Rankin concerning his comments.
The situation we now find ourselves is an open squabble between the President of the IMB and the President of the Executive Committee. We have seen differences between entity Presidents before. As recently as 2003 we witnessed Dr. Chuck Kelley and Dr. Morris Chapman disagree over sole membership. However, neither of the good Drs. publicly issued an appeal to the SBC constituency that the other was being dishonest in their reporting. And neither of the two ever questioned the others commitment to winning the lost. But, we have that now.
Dr. Rankin has charged Dr. Chapman with being more concerned about cooperation than he is with the Great Commission. This is like saying that Dr. Chapman will accept any and everything as long as we cooperate. Of course this charge comes after Dr. Rankin publicly charged that leaders were living in denial and then calls into question the 45,000 churches with the 16 million members. The churches that support the IMB, the lions share of the CP, as being disengenious in their reporting. This comes from the head of the IMB, an entity that reported 500,000 baptisms, without any direct correspondence with Missionaries that planted these churches. But, I digress.
What we have seen now is a response from Dr. Chapman, he said; “”I am saddened that Jerry so blatantly misrepresented my comments.” Dr. Chapman calls it a ‘blatant misrepresentation’. That brings to mind a question. What exactly is Dr. Chapman accusing Dr. Rankin of? I do not know, but Dr. Chapman goes on in his statement to summarize his comments with the following:
It grieves me that Jerry used this open forum to question my allegiance to my Lord and the mandate He has given me, to us as Southern Baptists, and to all who call on His Name. I pray he will retract his unjustified remarks. They do not befit a man of his position and stature.
Conclusion
It seems we are living in a time that we need to be united going into this years convention and vote. We saw last year’s convention produce a 95% vote to form the GCRTF. They have issued a report, that could be changed completely by May 3, 2010. However, we have been told that when that report is presented it will be the final report. For us to be united we need our leaders united. It seems that if the council of presidents have this type of bickering going on between them publicly then there will be no Great Commission Resurgence. One cannot call into question the motives of another, especially in public and expect the SBC constituency to be united.
I have a suggestion. If our leaders do not resolve their differences by the time the convention begins in June, then I suggest a recommendation for the very first order of business. I recommend that we authorize the Teller Committee to locate a room and direct the Committee on the Order of Business to corral the Council of Presidents into the located room. I further recommend that these two committees be authorized to guard the doors and not allow anyone to leave that room until everyone in that room can work out their differences to the point that each one passes a polygraph that each would entrust their child’s spiritual development to anyone in that room. No one would leave until all could pass such a test.
If the Southern Baptist Convention ever sees a Great Commission Resurgence, then the leaders are going to have to sit down and work through their differences. People follow the leadership of those God has entrusted to those positions. Leaders, we need you to lead!
***UPDATE***
Dr. Rankin has issued a public statement regarding this issue. Praise God that he has seen his need in doing this. He is as firmly committed to his position as before, but he no longer calls Dr. Chapman’s personal motives into question.
“Common Ground” or Common Deception?
Posted by: | Comments
Our podcast this week seems to have stirred up some folks, yet there has been no meaningful refutation offered of the basis for all this consternation, specifically Dr. Ergun Caner’s claim that use of the Camel Method by our International Mission Board is deceptive and that the method contains heresy. Admittedly, I’m no expert on these matters; others are far more able to speak to the specifics of what the Camel Method is and what it teaches. For example, our friend and former contributor, Dr. Bart Barber, wrote a lengthy series of posts, which can be found by clicking here, and ultimately concluded that the Camel method is deceptive and in error.
As I understand it, the Camel Method is part of a larger missiological movement known as “Common Ground.” As it relates to evangelism among Muslims, I suppose the name speaks for itself. Today I came across a guest post on the blog Biblical Missiology. It was written by a Christian from a Muslim background, and I was fascinated by his perspective on this “Common Ground” movement. Particularly intriguing to me were the questions he asked regarding the so-called “converts” that result from this approach. Here is his paragraph containing those questions:
And so following some years in closeness with Common Ground movement, still there were a lot of unresolved questions within myself! Should CMBs (Christians from a Muslim Background) continue to attend mosques and would that be helpful for them? If that is the situation what happens after the Islamic congregation understands there are some different Muslims in their congregation? Will they tolerate, expel or persecute them? Where will they get their true spiritual nourishment? Perhaps they will meet in home groups in addition to attending mosque, but for how long that situation will last? What about church planting since they are supposed to stay within the Islamic culture and religion, will it be established at some point the Christian community or such a thing is not necessary? What about their identity, is it like Christian with Christians and Muslims with Muslims? Who are going to be their true brothers and sisters, Muslims or Christians or both of them? Is there any compromise in all of that? These were some questions I faced and am quite sure most of these believers do go through.
The entire post can be accessed by clicking here, and I encourage readers to take the time to read about the experiences of this former Muslim who believes that this deceptive approach is doing more harm than good.
Podcast Episode 21
Posted by: | Comments
Timid. Reserved. Reticent. All of these are fine adjectives, and none of them describe our guest on this week’s podcast. Dr. Ergun Caner, president of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, joins us for a conversation that ranges from apologetics to camels to task forces. Also this week, we welcomed our newest team member at SBC Today, David Worley, though he found out it’s difficult to get a word in edgewise. He’ll be more prepared next week, I’m sure.
Listen to the podcast using the player below, or visit our iTunes page to subscribe. A click on the link in the sidebar (or on the image in this post) will take you there, and while you’re at it, write us a review or give us a rating. And as always, we welcome your comments here on issues we discuss or on how we can improve the podcast. Thanks for listening.
Links to items discussed:
- Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary
- The Camel Method – Endorsements
- Great Commission Resurgence Task Force
- The Sacred Desk
Podcast Episode 19
Posted by: | CommentsA little later than usual, we’re back with another installment of the SBC Today podcast. We were shorthanded this week, a description at which Scott Gordon for some reason took offense. No one is sure why. In any case, the three of us bravely forged ahead, with discussion about a proposed Cooperative Program change that intrigues us, Missouri’s move to two giving plans for churches, and IMB strategies. And despite our best efforts, Tim Rogers managed to bring a little college football coaching drama into the discussion. It’s a little shorter than usual, perhaps to make up for last week’s 40-minute-plus marathon talk session.
Listen by using the player embedded below, or subscribe in iTunes to have the podcast delivered to you fresh from the oven. Comment here with your suggestions for how we can improve our podcast, and while you’re at our iTunes page, click some stars to give us a rating, or better yet, write a quick review of the podcast on that page. And as always, thanks for listening.
Here’s a link to the post that got the discussion rolling:
Podcast Episode 9
Posted by: | Comments
Entity head retirements are the main topic of discussion in this week’s podcast. The entire gang got together to discuss the implications of the retirement announcements of Dr. Jerry Rankin of the International Mission Board and Dr. Morris Chapman of the Executive Committee. Robin Foster was headed out of town for a quick vacation, which explains the unusual amount of background noise.
Listen to the podcast using the player below, or click the logo or sidebar icon to be taken to our iTunes page. After you subscribe to the podcast, do us the favor of writing a short review on iTunes, or just give us a star rating. These will help us greatly, and we appreciate it. Comment here with suggestions for how we can improve the podcast. And, as always, thanks for listening. We continue to add new listeners each week, and we’re grateful that you take the time.
Here are some links that came up during this week’s conversation:
- IMB leader Jerry Rankin announces retirement
- Morris H. Chapman announces Executive Committee retirement
- Blog debate on baptism
- The Acts 1:11 Conference
Who Is Being Served? Redux
Posted by: | CommentsFebruary 1 of 2008 I published a post concerning what was then the inevitability of Dr. Rankin’s retirement and the future search for a replacement at the IMB. It brought some heated discussion. Essentially all I wanted to do was to open the discussion for a proven stateside pastor to be given the possibility of consideration as the next president of the International Mission Board (IMB).
While strategy on the field is important and we need a man who can bring people together as a team to help missionaries with the challenges we face, I still feel the greatest need for the IMB is to reconnect with the local churches who support her. Through this reconnection, shortfalls in funds could be overcome as local church members become better acquainted with the missionary sending endeavors of the SBC. I again reissue this post with some changes to make it current and more articulate of my position.
Dr. Rankin has announced his retirement as President from the IMB. Before I go any further, I want to make a statement concerning Dr. Rankin’s leadership of the International Mission Board (IMB). I appreciate his service and from all accounts that I have heard, he has performed with integrity. I also have had areas of disagreement with some of the directions of the IMB. One particular area has been the much-discussed Camel Method that has been promoted for use among missionaries in Muslim-dominated areas. Even with this, I support Dr. Rankin and wish him many more years of continued service to God’s Kingdom as he concludes his presidency. But Dr. Rankin is not the focus of this post, nor is the Camel Method.
The Foreign Mission Board (FMB), the predecessor of the IMB, was started in 1845 with two missionaries. At that time, James Barnett Taylor was appointed to lead the newly-formed FMB, and did so for twenty-six years until 1871. The executive secretary was appointed to lead the new agency according to the dictates of the Southern Baptist churches that supported it. Below is a list of past executive secretaries/presidents for the FMB/IMB until today.
A Word from Our Heart
Posted by: | CommentsIn the last week, SBC Today found itself involved with an article that, in the political world of the SBC, had the same effect as did North Korea’s nuclear testing on the secular political peace of the world. We will not try to articulate a well drafted, carefully nuanced article in order to keep everyone from parsing every word to determine what we are really saying. The following is from our heart.
To the International Mission Board: We apologize for our rush to place something before the SBC that was openly discussed in your trustee meeting. We should have waited until the trustees found out more information and had your staff make the necessary calls to verify the information being presented.
To the SBC Executive Committee: We apologize for not making a phone call to you before we placed this story before the public. According to Clark Logan, Vice-President for Business & Finance, the information is available if we ask and we will pursue that avenue in the future.
To the Baptist General Convention of Texas: We apologize for placing your convention in a negative light concerning Lottie Moon Christmas Offering. While we were presenting to the public what the IMB was telling their trustees, we will not be so quick in the future to place a negative light on the fine people in the BGCT or any other state convention. We assure you that we believe your hearts beat for missions as ours and we pray that the computer glitch is now fixed.
To all of our readers: We do apologize that we went against the advice received from some of you. We were told to take this down and even among ourselves we could not agree. The majority of our team was not resolute that this article remain after the facts from BGCT became public. This article remained in place at the insistence of Wes Kenney and Tim Rogers. We take the responsibility, but in a joint blog adventure, these decisions reflect on everyone. Therefore from the heart of those of us who operate SBC Today, we offer our sincere apologies and ask your forgiveness.
BGCT and Lottie Moon Post Removed
Posted by: | CommentsHaving spoken to Dr. Bart Barber as he returns from the Ozarks, SBC Today has, with his consent, removed the post concerning the Baptist General Convention of Texas’ alleged escrow of the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering. Dr. Barber will be posting on this issue upon his return.
Enhanced Podcast: 