Archive for Great Commission Resurgence
Kudos to Hunt and Floyd
Posted by: | CommentsI was definitely not for the 3rd component of the Great Commission Report. In fact, I was going to vote againt the GCR until #3 was tweaked. I felt that the 3rd component of the GCR would lead us away from the Cooperative Program, to a more societal approach to missions giving in the SBC. And, frankly, I did not understand the reasoning of including #3 in the GCR, and I really still don’t get why it was so important to have that included. But anyways, two men, whom I’ve admired thru the years, were on the task force; Johnny Hunt and Ronnie Floyd. In fact, when certain groups were attacking these men, I stood up for them. I commented on blogs to defend them. But, I’ve always not liked the fact that their churches gave such a tiny percent to the CP, and here they were on the Great Commission Task Force encouraging “Great Commission Giving” being reported, which I felt would undermine the CP. So, I admit that I wasn’t real happy about this, which I’m sure caused a lot of you to lose a lot of sleep!
Well, I want to give Johnny Hunt and Ronnie Floyd pats on the back for putting their money where their mouthes are. Johnny Hunt’s church has raised their CP giving already. And, according to Bart Barber, over at Praisegodbarebones, Johnny Hunt is tweeting often about the CP. He’s encouraging Pastors to lead their churches to give more to the CP. Also, Ronnie Floyd is leading his church to give more to the CP. Take a look at this report… http://www.gofbw.com/news.asp?ID=11921
So, I want to symbolically shake Johnny Hunt’s and Ronnie Floyd’s hands, and symbolically pat them on the back, and say, “Way to go! Thank you.” I really am happy to see these two leaders in the SBC encouraging more Pastors and churches to give more to the CP, and they’re actually doing it at their own churches, as well. In the words of that famous fella from Mayberry, “Thank ye, thank ye, thank ye!” And, may more churches follow their lead.
A Vote for A Great Commission Resurgence
Posted by: | CommentsDr. Malcolm Yarnell, Associate Professor of Systematic Theology, Director of the Oxford Study Program, Director of the Center for Theological Research, and Editor of the Southwestern Journal of Theology, at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary was unable to attend the convention in Orlando. However, he voted in favor of the Great Commission with his feet while we were raising our ballots. He has graciously allowed me to post his article below. Enjoy, and feel free to interact with his thoughts.
My Deepest Appreciation to Pastors Hunt & Floyd
Posted by: | CommentsToday, as I was perusing my Google Reader, I came across an article which has greatly encouraged me. Florida Baptist Witness editor, James Smith, Sr., has posted an interview with pastors Johnny Hunt and Ronnie Floyd. In this interview these men discuss their journey in leadership within our convention and the impact that has made on their desire and plans to lead their churches to be more supportive of the Cooperative Program of our convention. Read More→
I’ve Read. I’ve Watched. I’ve Discussed. Now…(Parenthetical Note)
Posted by: | Comments[UPDATE: As of June 2 we have the answer of the Task Force. They are bringing the seven recommendations as a unified whole...Well, looks like I'll be supporting a motion (maybe even bringing the motion) to divide the recommendations.
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Continuing, “sorta,” my response to the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force Final Report (GCRTFFR)…
Today I came across an excellent post by Dr. Bart Barber discussing his perspective on the GCRTFFR. It would appear he’s been reading my mind (maybe that’s one of the benefits of being part of the Baptist Identity ‘collective’). I certainly find myself agreeing with his assessment of the situation. I wholeheartedly recommend you peruse his post thoughtfully.
As I continue reading, thinking, and discussing, I am once again brought to a question for which I have neither read nor heard an answer thus far. My question? Just how will the recommendations from the GCRTFFR be presented to the messengers from the churches when we meet in Orlando? Read More→
I’ve Read. I’ve Watched. I’ve Discussed. Now…
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OK. I’ve read the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force Final Report (GCRTFFR). I’ve watched the video presentation of said report. I’ve watched the interview which has been suggested to me by friends on Twitter. I’ve stated some of my initial responses to the report through Facebook and Twitter. Now, allow me to share with you the perspective of this O40BI5PCSCP (just wanted to add to the proliferation of acronyms within our convention)…this ‘Over 40, Baptist Identity, 5 Point Calvinist, Small Church Pastor’… Read More→
Matthew 6 and Great Commission Giving–Updated
Posted by: | CommentsMatthew 6:1-4 (NIV)
1 “Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
In their final report the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force (GCRTF) has certainly squelched some of my fears. I want to be on this Great Commission Resurgence (GCR) train!! I do not desire to be the one driving it and I do not want to be the one blowing the horn. I just want to be one of the 40,000 that are known as GCR pastors. Thank God, and I look forward to being part of this grand movement of God in the SBC.
At this point I want to call attention to one obstacle that I see laying on the tracks. If this obstacle is not removed it will cause this GCR train to jump the tracks. It is the Great Commission Giving (GCG) aspect of this train. This particular aspect will bring a GCR to a halt faster than the Caner brothers can grow beards. It will be the death knell of the Cooperative Program (CP) just as sure as OS Hawkins has his shirt buttons in line with his belt buckle and his shoes shined with a mirrored glaze to the point one could shave with a dull razor. Why would I make such a statement of surety? I believe in the surety of this event for three reasons. Great Commission Giving relegates not accentuates the Cooperative Program. Also, Great Commission Giving discourages not encourages cooperation. And the motive of Great Commission Giving elevates selfish desires over the Scriptural directive of giving.
How Lost People See Us?
Posted by: | CommentsI was reading the On Mission magazine from NAMB when I saw a study done by the Barna Research Group. The research was done to show how lost people between the ages of 16 to 29 see evangelical Christians. I’m not sure why this is so important, nor what you and I can do with this research. I mean, lost people are not gonna like Christians. The Lord told us this. Did He not? Matthew 10:22 (English Standard Version) says that ”you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” In the book of Luke 6:22 (English Standard Version), the Bible says that “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man!” And, in 2 Timothy 3:12 (English Standard Version) we’re promised that “Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.”
So, when the research tells us that 91% of non-Christians see evangelicals as anti-homosexual, what are we supposed to do? Quit saying that homosexuality is a sin? Because, I’ll guarantee you that no matter how nice you try to say it, and no matter how many times you say that you love the homosexual person; whenever you say that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin, people are gonna accuse us of being anti-homosexual. I’ve seen this first hand on more than one occasion. The lost crowd just does not want to hear that it’s sin against God; plain and simple.
And, when 87% of the lost crowd sees evangelical Christians as judgmental, are we supposed to stop calling sin what it is…”sin?” Because, listen, the lost, rebellious crowd will say this just because we call sin by it’s ugly name. That’s just how a lost person is, when they’re living in those sins. They don’t like for their sin to be brought to light. And, once again, no matter how nice and loving you try to be, once you name a sin as a sin, especially one that a person is living in; then you’re labeled as judgmental. Go on a talk show, and as nice and as lovingly kind as you can possibly say it; say that any sex outside of the marriage boundary is a sin against God. See how the crowd responds. It wont be pretty.
Okay, the next thing on the research list is that famous old, worn out line that a lot of lost people like to use about evangelical Chrisitans. 85% of the lost crowd sees us as hypocritical. So, what’s new here? I’ll bet this has been said ever since Noah first lifted a hammer and told people to get right with God, because it was gonna rain. Christians have faults and shortcomings. Every Christian sins; every last one of us. We all fail to be all that God wants us to be. So, everytime a Christian fails God, the lost crowd is waiting to pounce on it like a coyote after a fat, plump bunny rabbit. I think it makes them feel better about their own sins, when they can call Christians “hypocrites.” I think it eases their consciences just a little bit to point out the failures of a Believer. It gives them a good excuse to stay lost. And, you know what, lost people just dont understand grace. Again, what do we do with this info? I mean, we cant stop sinning. We’re gonna sin. We’re gonna fail God. So, what good is it to know this info? How does this help us? What in the world can we do with it?
Now, I’m not gonna go over every single research item that was listed in the Spring 2010 On Mission magazine by NAMB. But, here are the other topics: Non-Christians see evangelicals as Old Fashioned 78%; Too involved in Politics 75%; Out of Touch with Reality 72%; Insensitive to Others 70%; Boring 68%; Not Accepting of Others Faiths 64%; Confusing 61%. Well, some of these things we can work on. The old fashioned thing can be remedied, and it is being remedied by many, many Churches with contemporary music, technology, and dressing more cool and hip at Church. The “Too involved in Politics” thing is something that we’ll always be accused of, if we ever take a political stand for moral reasons. I do agree that some Pastors are too involved in politics. But, I’m glad that some Christians feel led to get into politics, in order to do good. And, any political stand that we take will be seen as too much for a lot of the lost crowd out there
Now, I’d imagine that evangelical Christians will always be looked upon as being out of touch with reality by the lost crowd. After all, we look thru the lens of faith at the world, and the lost crowd doesn’t. We can work on being more sensitive to others, but I doubt that us being more sensitive to others will ever be good enough for the lost crowd. The boring thing….well, I was bored with worship and Bible study and prayer, too, back when I was lost and living in sin. It didn’t do anything for me, as a lost person. I doubt that there was anything that could’ve been done to make it less boring for me, as long as I was lost and living in sin. Then, the “Not Accepting of Other’s Faiths” thing…well, this is just how it’s always gonna be. How could it ever be seen as any different? I mean, as Christians, who believe the Bible, Muslims are lost and wrong, and they worship a false god. Buddhists are lost, and they will not go to Heaven. Jews are not going to Heaven when they die, unless they put their faith in Jesus as their Messiah. Mormons are involved in a cult, and they definitely worship a false god. So, how in the world could we ever change this perspective, and still be true to God and to His Word? The Bible is exclusive. God is exclusive. All dogs don’t go to Heaven.
You know what I think? I think that the lost, rebellious crowd is always gonna view us, Christ Followers, as a strange and peculiar people, no matter what we do. I think that the lost crowd is gonna look upon us in a bad light, no matter what. I think that the lost crowd is not gonna be accepting of our beliefs, nor change their view of us, unless we’re willing to compromise our faith. They will look upon us in a bad way, unless we’re willing stop living for the Lord. I knew this before this study was ever done, and we all knew this before NAMB chose to put it in their magazine. I mean, I didn’t expect to win any popularity contest in the arena of the world, as a Believer. Who does? Anyone? The simple fact is that the lost crowd does not like us due to our walk with God; due to our being a follower of Jesus; due to us calling sin what it is; due to us preaching the Gospel….exhorting them to repent and put their faith in Jesus.
I’m not really sure why NAMB put this in their magazine, nor what we’re supposed to do with this study; but I’m sure that there’ll be some wimpy Christians out there that this will really disturb. There will be some namby, pamby Christians out there, who’ll be really upset that the lost crowd doesn’t like us. And, they’ll want to make every change possible to “get the lost crowd to like us.” Why? Why are there some Believers out there, who think like this? Who think that we have to please the worldly crowd? Who think that we have to be acceptable to the lost bunch? Who honestly think that somehow we can “make the lost people out there like us and accept us?” Who think this study is even important to know?
Are we gonna stop preaching against the sins of adultery and fornication and lying? Are we gonna start preaching that “all dogs go to Heaven?” Do we need to start telling homosexuals that “you’re ok, and I’m ok?” Are we gonna start having scantily clothed dancing girls in our church, so that the men will not be bored? And, sign up men from the church to be in our newly formed, worship leaders group the “Holy Chippendales,” so that the ladies will be more excited about coming to church? Do we need to start advertising that pre-worship cocktails will be available in the lobby? Maybe that’ll make the lost crowd feel better about us? or, at least, less bored with our worship?
I dont think so. I think that what we really need is for Christians to be more like the Believers in the book of Acts, and turn our world upside down. I really think that we need to trust the power of the Holy Spirit to call people to salvation. I really think that we need to preach the Gospel, stand on the truth of God’s Word, and leave the results to God. I really think that we should tweak how we do worship without violating Scripture; be creative in our outreach without getting stupid or crazy; and be open to making sensible changes that might open doors for us to able to reach lost people, without compromising our faith. Now, please know that I was not saying that NAMB, nor Barna, was saying anything about compromising, nor even hinting at compromising. I’m really not sure why they felt that this study was important. Maybe they just did it, and printed it merely for information’s sake, or out of curiousity, or to tell us what we all should already be aware of? I don’t know. But, I can just see the wheels turning in some “Evangelical Christians” minds about this info. They might start thinking of all the things that we need to do to be more acceptable to the lost crowd. I can just hear their thoughts about the shame it is that the lost crowd would think this of us, and how we need to change this perception.
Again, I ask how? And, will anything really change their perception of us? Do we honestly think that the lost crowd will ever view us in a truly positive light? I mean, if we really live for God, and preach the Gospel?
UPDATE: Franklin Graham was cancelled from speaking at the Pentagon for some remarks he made about Islam. Franklin Graham spoke the truth about Islam, and he was censored. Anyone surprised? Some of the people, who think that lost people will love us are probably a little shocked.
Great Commission Giving–The Dumbing Down of the Cooperative Program
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Part of the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force report includes renaming the designated giving of Southern Baptist churches as “Great Commission Giving”. I believe the following two questions reveal some concerns that needs addressing. First, how does this plan promote cooperation when churches direct funds to a favorite SBC entity leaving non-favorite entities without? Second, how will the Cooperative Program be recognized as the central means of supporting our Great Commission ministries when it is combined with designated gifts and called by a nice name like Great Commission Giving? Where would I rather see my funds go–a line item that says cooperation or a line item that says Great Commission Giving?
A Case Study of Oversight in SBC Elected Committees
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Just before the convention in Louisville we were told that there would be a state editor present at every meeting of the GCRTF. That changed during the week of the convention to Southern Baptist being informed that information would be discussed with the press immediately after the closed meetings of the GCRTF. Now that the meetings have been in full swing we find that one state editor is given information. The GCRTF found the one voice that would herald their news releases in The Florida Baptist Witness. The Witness heralded the GCRTF information for all to see and it was evident that James Smith, the editor, was their go to guy with everything concerning GCRTF information. Problem was, James Smith was not in the meetings and did not have access to the data. He merely was an amplifier for whatever was released to him for the SBC at large.
Questions were raised on various issues, and those questions were quickly dismissed as either people “pushing back” because of lack of trust, or people just trying to cause turmoil in the process because they did not want to change. When the questioner was perceived as asking questions because of “push back” he/she was told to trust our leaders. I know that I wanted to trust them, and I certainly do think those representing us on the GCRTF have the best interest of the SBC at heart. When it was perceived the questioner did not want change the questioner was reminded that we were no longer living in the 1950′s. Certainly no one believes that we can have felt boards and the tired pictures of the 50′s if we are going to minister to families with small children. However, those questioning the data were perceived as either pushing back or just not wanting change. When certain data was questioned that came from those within our entities people were painted as being suspicious of our entities.
Well….we have a blunder. It seems, according to this story, we have bad data that is the basis for the one major recommendation. Read More→
Great Commission Resurgence Task Force Report to the Executive Committee
Posted by: | CommentsHere is the video of the GCR Task Force interim report. It is similar in essence to the one given to the meeting of the SBC Executive Committee on Monday, Febraury 22, 2010. After viewing the video or reading the report, discuss your thoughts, impressions, expectations, enthusiasm, or disappointment in the comment thread below the video.
GCR Progress Report from GCR on Vimeo.

