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Mar
11

Do Baptisms Matter Anymore?

Posted by: David Worley | Comments (93)

In our day and age of ecumenical awareness and knocking down the walls of denominations,  are baptisms important to people anymore?  to Churches?  With all of the people saying that they would accept any ole kind of baptism, whether it be sprinkling, pouring, or whatever, is it important about the kind of baptism you have?  With some people in Southern Baptist Churches saying that they would accept any baptism, as long as the person was saved, and the baptism was by immersion, is it important who does the baptizing?  I mean, if momma’s can baptise their children in the backyard mudhole after they lead little Johnny, or Susie, to the Lord; and it be acceptable to a SB Church; does that not scream some things loudly about that Churches view of baptism?  So, do baptisms matter anymore?  Are people even concerned with a doctrine and practice that seems to be a very important one as you’re reading the NT. 

I really believe that part of the problem today, which some people and some Churches have in some areas of ecclesiology, is that they have a John Wayne, rugged individualist, “I did it my way” mentality.  And, this mentality rubs off on their view about baptism, and really, about the Church in general. And, we see this in the thinking of people when they say things like, “I ‘m satisfied with my baptism, so I don’t want to get baptised by a Baptist Church. I want to join your Church without being baptised again.”  We see this kind of thinking when Pastors say things to the effect that it doesn’t matter if a new convert is baptised by an individual person in a hot tub, or if they’re baptised with the Churches presence and by the Churches blessing.  It doesn’t matter to them that the Church is not involved in the baptism.  Why? because it’s an individual thing, rather than a Church thing.  In their view, it is a personal thing that happens outside of the Church. 

You know, when you look in the Bible, baptism is a group thing; not a “lone Cowboy on the range, riding in the sunset as the coyotes howl” thing.  The Lord set up the Church to be a fellowship of Believers.  The Church is supposed to be where people are baptised, and taught the Word of God, and discipled, and encouraged.  The Church is supposed to always be a group of Believers, who are seeking the Lord together.  So, why would baptism not be a Church ordinance?  Why would baptism be something that an individual could just do…out there… somewhere….apart from the Body? Why would the Church today let Western philosophy turn baptism into an individuals own personal possession, rather than something that the Church does and participates in?  Could it be for convenients sake?  Could it be to get more members in their Church, because they know that some people will not join their Church if they have to have a proper baptism?  Could it a real reluctance to deal with controversy on the part of a Pastor?  Could it be ignorance of the Bible?  Could it be the desire to “fit in” with the greater, evangelical group out there?  To accepted by the “cool group?”  What do you think?

Well, baptism is supposed to be a testimony of the person’s conversion.  Baptism is supposed to declare a message, the Gospel, to the people watching it.  Baptism is supposed to be a symbollic picture of the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord.  Baptism is a picture of the blood of Jesus washing away the guilt and punishment of our sins.  Baptism is supposed to be a way of formally accepting a new born baby in Christ into the Church.  So, why would people even think that it’s something that’s an indvidual thing?  Why would they even want baptism to be an individual ordinance, rather than a church ordinance? 

Folks, baptism is a time to celebrate the new birth.  Baptism is a time to rejoice in the salvation of a person.  Baptism is a very special thing, and it’s something that all the Church should have the privilege to participate in.  Baptism is a time for the entire Church to join with the baptismal candidate in this wonderful ordinance given to the Church by the Lord Jesus.  How much would be lost and missed if everyone was just out there baptising people in their own, private hot tub, or swimming pool, or local swimming hole in the creek?  I think a lot would be missed.  We would be missing much of what the Lord intended to do in the life of a Church, if the Church is not allowed to participate in the baptism of new converts.

So, who should get baptised?  Of course, those people who get saved by grace thru faith.  Acts 2:41. Acts 10:44-48. Acts 16:30-34.  How should they be baptised?  By immersion.  Matthew 3:13-17…Jesus came up straightway out of the water. The very word for “baptise” in the Greek means to dip under, to immerse.  So, if you want to do it right, the way the Bible clearly teaches, then it must be a dipping under; an immersion.  What should baptism be about?  It should be a declaration to the community that a person has been saved. It should be a testimony that the person has truly, sincerely put their faith in Jesus, and they’re willing to obey Him as their Lord.  Who should baptise?  The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.  The Great Commission was given to the Church.  Matthew 18:20.  The beginning of the Church was standing before the Lord Jesus that day.  The Apostles were standing there, who were commissioned to preach the Gospel to the world, and baptise the new converts, and disciple them.  They were the men that God used to get the Church that the Lord Jesus founded going.  The Church should be the one who baptises new converts, so that they are involved with a Church family; to be nurtured in the faith; encouraged; taught; loved; affirmed; accepted; challenged; inspired; and given much needed guidance.  The Church is the one, who was given this task by the Lord Jesus, it’s Head. 

So, what a Church believes about salvation and baptism does matter.  Who is doing the baptising does matter.  It says a lot about a person’s beliefs.  I mean, if you get baptised in the Church of Christ, then you are identifying with their view of baptismal regeneration and works salvation.  If you get baptised by a Mormon Church, then you are saying that you agree with them about works salvation, denying the Trinity, denying the atoning death of the Lord Jesus.  If you get baptised by an Assembly of God Church, then you’re agreeing with them that salvation is not an eternal work of God; that it’s something that can be lost.  If you get baptised in the Methodist Church, sprinkled on top of the head, then you were not properly baptised by immersion.  And, these are not true baptisms.  Now, I’m not saying that these people aren’t saved.  They most certainly could be saved.  But, their baptism is not a valid, proper, true baptism.  They should be baptised for the right reasons, and in the right way. 

Now, please don’t come into the comment section calling me a Landmark Baptist.  lol.  I don’t believe that Baptist Churches are the only true Churches, or that we can trace our lineage back to Jesus, or that SB’s are the only ones who can baptise.  Puulease.  Listen, if Muddy Creek Community Church believes like we do about salvation and baptism, then we should accept their baptism as a true baptism.  If Possum Ridge Bible Church believes as we do about salvation and baptism, then I believe they have a true baptism.  So, please don’t come in here with all the Landmark comments.  I really don’t have the time, nor the energy to deal with that malarky.  But, I do believe that baptism is important.  And, it should be done right, and for the right reasons.  And, I most certainly believe that it should be a Church thing.

Feb
17

Podcast Episode 23

Posted by: Wes Kenney | Comments (29)

This week’s podcast is our longest yet, at just over forty-four minutes, but hopefully the discussion will prove worth the time. We didn’t even cover all the topics we intended to address. In times past, such long-windedness would have been laid squarely at the feet of Bart Barber, but since he’s not around to blame, we’ll have to come up with another excuse. We began by addressing the response by Dr. David Allen to a review by Dr. Tom Nettles of a book by Dr. William Dembski. If you think you’re confused now, wait until you hear our discussion. We finished the podcast discussing tithing, antinomianism, and Les Puryear.

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Feb
10

Podcast Episode 22

Posted by: Wes Kenney | Comments (2)

This week on the podcast, we discuss issues surrounding the allegations made by a Dallas area television station against Ed Young, Jr., and Fellowship Church. Joining us as our guest to help define some of those issues is Dr. John Mark Yeats. Dr. Yeats is assistant professor of church history at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and author, along with his SWBTS colleague Dr. Thomas White, of Franchising McChurch, a book that deals with issues of commercialism and “branding” among large contemporary churches. We went over our self-imposed time limit of half an hour, but hopefully listeners will find the discussion to be worth the time.

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Jan
13

One Lord, One Vote

Posted by: Wes Kenney | Comments (46)

A good deal of discussion in Baptist life, even some on this site, has focused upon the role of elders in the church. How should those who hold this biblical office fulfill their role within the congregation, and how should they relate to the members of the church? Much of this discussion goes ultimately to the question of how the church is governed. Is it to be ruled by elders, or are the elders to lead, with the responsibility for making decisions remaining with the congregation as a whole? As Southern Baptists, we have clearly and, I believe, biblically, answered this question in our statement of faith.
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Sep
11

Really? Is It That Simple?

Posted by: Robin Foster | Comments (4)

On the morning of September 11, 2001, I was going through my normal routine of getting the kids and myself ready for the day. Passing by the T.V., I saw a burning building and thought they were showing some old clips from a building that caught on fire in downtown Ft. Worth. I walked the kids to school and when I got in my truck and turned on the radio I was floored at what I heard. A plane was piloted into one of the World Trade towers. Just a few blocks away from Southwestern I heard another plane was piloted into the other tower. At that point I knew the first one was no mistake. When I walked into the World Missions Center one of my coworkers walked up to me in tears and said it was terrible that one of the buildings had come down. “There were real live people in that building!” is what she exclaimed. I gave her a hug and others came around and we discussed what had just happened. Moments flew by and it was already time for Chapel. At Chapel, we all gathered into small prayer groups and I can remember what my prayer was, “God, please don’t let our anger from what has happened turn to hatred. Help us grow closer to You. Let us truly show more of Your love during this time.”

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Sep
08

Does One Leave or Rebel?

Posted by: Tim Rogers | Comments (83)

In this video, Matt Chandler shares some wonderful insight into the mind of the younger community.  Certainly one desires to reach into a community that is threatening to walk away and live life according to their own desires.  Certainly one desires to reach out to those with unfulfilled dreams.  Certainly no one desires to give up on an entire generation.

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Before the outset of this post let me say that this piece is not meant to criticize Acts 29. They have the right to organize the planting of churches as they feel they are led by the Lord. This post is to show the clear irreconcilable difference in ecclesiology between Acts 29 and the Baptist Faith and Message when it comes to church governance. It is also intended to show why a church planter cannot honestly accept support from the North American Mission Board and Acts 29 while affirming both ecclesiastical statements as they both drastically differ. I have no animosity towards Acts 29 and wish them God’s best in wisdom and guidance.

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Aug
19

Paradox Lost – Part One

Posted by: Joe Stewart | Comments (7)

Perhaps the best metaphor to describe the contemporary church, with apologies to John Milton, is Paradox Lost. Somewhere along the line many church leaders have forgotten what Randy Alcorn calls the grace and truth paradox.[i] We must be full of grace and truth (John 1:14). When Jesus walked this earth, he gave us an invariable paradigm to follow often expressed by the prepositions in but not of:

I have given them Your Word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of this world, even as I am not of this world. I do not ask you to take them out of this world, but keep them from the evil one. They are not of this world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. As you have sent Me into the world I also have sent them into the world. (John 17:14-18).

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Aug
18

Covenant or Confession

Posted by: Tim Rogers | Comments (88)

According to Merriman-Webster online dictionary, the following definitions exist for the words addressed in the title of this article.

Covenant (Noun)

1 : a usually formal, solemn, and binding agreement : compact
2 a : a written agreement or promise usually under seal between two or more parties especially for the performance of some action b : the common-law action to recover damages for breach of such a contract

Covenant (Verb)

transitive verb

: to promise by a covenant : pledge

intransitive verb

: to enter into a covenant : contract

Confession

1 a : an act of confessing; especially : a disclosure of one’s sins in the sacrament of reconciliation b : a session for the confessing of sins <go to confession>
2 : a statement of what is confessed: as a : a written or oral acknowledgment of guilt by a party accused of an offense b : a formal statement of religious beliefs : creed
3 : an organized religious body having a common creed

As I prepared this article I ran across the covenant at Acts 29 Network.  The Acts 29 covenant uses precise  language and certainly is one that holds strict accountability on those  that plant churches with them.  The network is a tight doctrinal group that is focused only on reproducing churches with Calvinistic doctrine.  However, as one looks at the difference between “covenant” and “confession” one finds  the success of the Acts 29 church plants rests not as much in their doctrine as it is in their covenant. Read More→

Aug
14

The Presence of These Witnesses

Posted by: Wes Kenney | Comments (11)

Church-Wedding_5423In our most recent podcast, Robin Foster made a statement that really jumped out at me the last time I listened to it. We were talking about the subject of “polyamory,” a concept that Dr. Albert Mohler addressed in a recent radio program. In discussing what this strange concept says about the state of marriage, Robin pointed out that much of the blame for the disintegration of marriage in our culture can be placed at the feet of evangelical Christians. He then said, “The rugged individualism of the last century has overtaken the theology of the church.”

At first blush, the demise of marriage may seem unrelated to this loss of the “theology of the church” that Robin identified, but I want to suggest that the two are very much related. In that discussion, we talked about a deemphasis upon ecclesiology that has also been an effect of this individualism. In the decline of a strong ecclesiology, many important things were lost, including redemptive church discipline and a sense on the part of church members of their place in the body. What has been lost is any sense of the real-life implications of Paul’s elegant description of the church in 1 Corinthians:

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