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		<title>Competitors to Biblical Authority</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Nelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Dan Nelson, Pastor, First Baptist Church, Camarillo, CA A very distinctive mark of Baptists is our insistence that biblical authority as our sole authority for faith and practice. I realize that this is hardly an exclusive claim for every &#8230; <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/30/competitors-to-biblical-authority/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_" addthis:url='http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/30/competitors-to-biblical-authority/' addthis:title='Competitors to Biblical Authority ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>]]></description>
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<p><em><a href="http://sbctoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PastorDanNelson.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-5026" title="PastorDanNelson" src="http://sbctoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PastorDanNelson.jpg" alt="" width="152" height="189" /></a>By Dan Nelson, Pastor,</em><em><br />
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<p>A very distinctive mark of Baptists is our insistence that biblical authority as our sole authority for faith and practice. I realize that this is hardly an exclusive claim for every church with a high view of God’s Word. For these churches could make a similar statement. As a matter of fact, there may be a misunderstanding of perceived arrogance by Baptists about this position. So far, I have tried to disclose a biblical perspective for our emphasis. I want to do the same here.</p>
<p>The claim of biblical authority is not inferring that Baptists are the only ones approaching everything from a biblical perspective. What I have always said is that “we don’t say we are the only ones right in our church, but we believe the Bible is our authority and we try to follow the Bible as closely as possible”. This position is my disclaimer statement to those who feel we might sound arrogant or intolerant about this particular topic.</p>
<p>To understand this position, we need to understand the competitors to biblical authority. I am not saying that these competitors erase belief in biblical views but that these factors compete for that position. What are these other sources of authority?<br />
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<p><strong>Traditionalism: </strong>Catholicism and all who have a similar system of belief structure base their authority on tradition. Catholicism has added much tradition through the years. Cultural practices, papal bulls, biblical illiteracy, and accumulation of practice through the years in many nations contribute to this strong trend. The Bible is minimized when stacked up to tradition. Another way of looking at it is that tradition covers up biblical truth. You have the Bible on a table and you cover it with papers and stuff. The Bible is under there somewhere, but you have to peel everything away.</p>
<p>One of the most obvious contrasts here is that the mode and purpose of baptism is viewed differently between Baptists and Catholics. The sacramental system is built on traditional church practices through the centuries. It hardly has any biblical support.[1]</p>
<p><strong>Revelation and Impulses: </strong>Charismatic churches actually suggest they believe more of the Bible today than other churches because of their acceptance of the sign gifts as operative and normative for today. The point of their validity is very well debated. In reality, though, the leadership of the Holy Spirit in their lives as they perceive Him becomes more important in priority. You will hear statements like: “God said this to me.” There are many levels of this type of thinking because of various types of charismatic influence. These churches feel they are thoroughly biblical and following existential revelation that is biblical to them.[2]</p>
<p>Where sign gifts are predominant, knowing the full revelation of God – as taught on a consistent basis – is minimized. Biblical authority, then, is thus deferred.</p>
<p><strong>Liberalism and Cultural Relativism:</strong> The battle for the Bible in the twentieth century has led to liberalism and skepticism affecting most mainline denominational churches. Southern Baptists have had a resurgence of biblical authority by affirming our belief in the inspired, inerrant word of God.</p>
<p>The lack of biblical authority is apparent in these denominations when they accept homosexuality and ordain homosexual priests. Skepticism of Scripture has been the source of acceptance for many societal sins. In the political arena, a position of a political party becomes more important than moral values. Some said to me after learning of my criteria for a political candidate regarding moral values, “Why don’t you use something substantial?”[3]</p>
<p>The basis for a low view of Scripture is changing, and the church feels the need to change with it. Gay marriage, abortion, and a lack of religious influence in society are all accepted today by a significant portion of our culture. While I was attempting to explain the Baptist view of things in a liberal church seminar, someone said, “Don’t we need to change with society to bring more people into the church?” I answered, “We don’t change the Bible for people’s sins; we bring people to the Bible and they are changed by its message.” The decline of these mainline denominational churches in the latter part of the twentieth century proves that accepting society’s trends contradictory to the Bible does not bring more people into the church.[4]</p>
<p><strong>Pragmatism: </strong>The diversion of pragmatism is more deceptive. Pragmatism is one of the driving forces of many contemporary churches. I will not lump all types of churches into this category. As already stated the driving force is usually a worthy one – to reach people for Christ by whatever means possible. “Doctrine,” unfortunately, in a majority of these churches is not a popular term.</p>
<p>Topical messages and need-oriented ministry predominates in typical churches driven by pragmatism. The “whatever works” mentality is different from liberalism in that it is usually driven by belief in God’s word as truth.[5] The difference in approach to Scripture is the contrast that results in minimizing not only Baptist distinctives but all biblical truths that could be emphasized.</p>
<p>It is easy for me to mark the differences in groups who do not have a high degree of biblical authority. There must be clear delineation of these differences. These distinctives will be broadened and find more agreement with other groups. Yet, our emphasis of these truths determines our depth of authority. These are very definite. There must be a biblical authority in what we believe and basis for why we believe it. Then we will give a reason why we are people of the Book and not just make it a catch phrase.</p>
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<p>[1] The interesting contrast in the mode of baptism is one that is sharply contrasted by scriptural support of immersion of believers as opposed to sprinkling.</p>
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<p>[2] Statement based on association with charismatic Christians, pastors and media outlets such as Christian broadcasting are predominated by these type of practices.</p>
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<p>[3] Liberalism denies the straight teaching of morality as evidenced by its support of changing social values that conservatives view as immorality.</p>
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<p>[4] This theory seems to be substantiated by those leaving churches such as this and coming to more conservative churches that support traditional moral values in the Bible.</p>
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<p>[5] This view is driven by a purer motive of reaching people for Christ. There does need to be biblical motive in preaching and outreach so that the “whatever works” doesn’t go wild.</p>
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		<title>Still Baptist . . . After All These Years</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ledbetter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Gary Ledbetter, Director of Communications of the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention, and Editor of the Southern Baptist Texan The first report of the committee appointed by SBC President Bryant Wright to consider a new name for the SBC &#8230; <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/10/still-baptist-after-all-these-years/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_" addthis:url='http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/10/still-baptist-after-all-these-years/' addthis:title='Still Baptist . . . After All These Years ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>]]></description>
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<p>The first report of the committee appointed by SBC President Bryant Wright to consider a new name for the SBC indicates that they know their job is a hot potato. Chairman Jimmy Draper assured us that they are approaching the task prayerfully and deliberately. He also made clear that the committee does not favor changing the word “Baptist” in our convention’s name. As expected, “Southern,” seen as some to be an inappropriately regional identification, and “Convention,” with its institutional flavor, are up for grabs.</p>
<p>I’m not surprised by anything Dr. Draper has said up to this point and it is good that he has nailed down that we will continue to be called something Baptist for the foreseeable future. But with that communication from the ad hoc committee, I’m comfortable to sit back and wait for their final report.</p>
<p>I can’t help but wonder if those most dissatisfied with the convention’s current name will be eased by any response that retains the word “Baptist,” though. Some have actually found the term “Baptist” problematic for their ministries. Maybe it’s for embarrassments like Westboro Baptist “Church” (not Southern Baptist but many don’t know) or things we have done like the Disney boycott. Some churches may find a broader base of attenders by not leading with “Baptist.”<br />
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<p>Thus, there’s a wave of “we’re still a Southern Baptist church, but we’d rather meet you before you know that” thinking. Many churches formerly “First Baptist [your city]” or “[your community] Baptist Church” now do business as simply “[your community name] Church” or “The Church at [your community name].” Some are more creative still, like Connection Church, launched in South Dakota by my friend Doug Hixson. I don’t really want to argue that your church answers to me or anyone else for the name you choose. I’m arguing instead that if you’re committed to Southern Baptists but are changing the sign out front to something more generic than Calvary Baptist Church, you’ve started down a more difficult road than you might think.</p>
<p>My family attended a Willow Creek-style church in a Midwestern city for about a year. It wasn’t called a Baptist church but we knew it was affiliated with other SBC churches on three different levels. As we considered membership, we began to ask those in our Sunday School class about the denominational identity of the church. They didn’t know we were Southern Baptist. Neither did our teacher know. We were interested to know how the church participated in cooperative missions so we asked a staff member (an SBC seminary grad) we’d met. He couldn’t answer our question but said he would find out. He brought us a budget summary that did not address our question to any discernable degree. We had to talk to the pastor to find out how the church we were planning to join was involved with other Southern Baptist churches for the purpose of missions. As best I could tell, few others knew the pastor’s vision for the church’s denominational involvement. I’ve heard similar stories from members of other churches for over a decade. The dissipation of Baptist identity within those churches was not the intent of church leaders as they chose a name or rename for their church. And yet, there seems to be an inevitable pull toward a more vague identity.</p>
<p>It sounds simplistic but having Baptist in the name means that the pastor doesn’t have to often say from the pulpit, “We are a Baptist church.” In churches with or without the formal Baptist designation, I’m saying he should do just that, and then he should explain why being Baptist matters.</p>
<p>It matters because Baptist churches have been key advocates for religious liberty in America. Our government’s occasional efforts to encourage freedom of conscience for people around the world are the legacy of Baptists in the United States. Baptists advocate for liberty because we were discouraged, even persecuted by other denominations of the time for preaching the gospel without their permission.</p>
<p>It also matters because Baptists in the U.S. have been among the most, if not the most ardent and effective advocates for missions in every place. That’s our heritage but it’s not just the past. We are still working hard to target the remaining unreached peoples of the world. We have a system that serves this purpose and we have a plan to address this goal. Yes, others are doing missions and smaller groups may be more flexible than our large enterprise; but when we call ourselves “Baptist,” we’re saying that we’re committed and poised to work together for the spread of the gospel.</p>
<p>Being Baptist matters because churches, made up of redeemed people who talk to God, operate under the direct headship of our Lord and Savior. No hierarchy and no outside conclave should interfere in that relationship. Self-governing churches made up of people who discern the will of God in community with other like-minded believers are a very Baptist interpretation of biblical (and Reformation) doctrine. Non-denominational churches may operate this way; newer and smaller denominations may be cooperating groups of autonomous congregations. Where this is so, these congregations are behaving in a right Baptist way.</p>
<p>I think being Baptist matters because there is a body of doctrine that describes us. Baptists believe that the two ordinances are symbolic and significant but not salvific. We have a polity we share with others who bear the name. Baptists believe that Jesus is the only means of salvation and that the Bible is his story—faithful in all that is purported there to be true. Of course, some Baptists accept infant baptism; others are not convinced regarding the authority of Scripture or even the uniqueness of Christ. These Baptists are notable exceptions and frankly have a dubious future among us. “Baptist” is still a useful shorthand way of saying something of what a church believes.</p>
<p>And yes, I do very much love and respect the various community churches and “churches at” one place or another. The pastors I know who’ve led their churches to adopt such monikers are Baptists and overwhelmingly not ashamed of it. For this valuing of these churches’ denominational lineage to trickle down over future generations, these pastors must go out of their way to make the story plain.</p>
<p>They must highlight, alongside various projects originated in their local congregations, the work done in concert with national, state, and associational partners. No church can do all that it’s commissioned to do without working with strategic partners.</p>
<p>Pastors of creatively named (and traditionally named) churches should highlight to church members the portion of their church budgets allocated for Cooperative Program ministries. Most vocational church leaders were educated through the generosity of Baptists they never met. Nearly every church was born with the assistance of Baptists in other locations, even other states and most often through CP funds. Freely we have received; freely give.</p>
<p>How about using new member orientation classes to highlight the reason and content of your church’s denominational identity? Years ago, my church used material produced by a sister church that completely bypassed the subject. It was a strange and inappropriate choice for a traditional and quite Southern Baptist church. Now, our material discusses the Cooperative Program and why we support it. Is there any good reason why any Southern Baptist church by any name should not do this as part of its orientation of new members?</p>
<p>Whether it is through Disaster Relief training and deployment, various kinds of ministry training (Sunday School, VBS, etc.), or some other kind of denominational partnership, church leaders should encourage their members to see and do firsthand the work of their fellow Baptists. In my experience, church members so oriented to their Baptist identity become more committed and useful in ministries of their home churches.</p>
<p>It seems clear that the Southern Baptist Convention is not going to change its name in any way that could obscure our Baptist heritage. The trend for new and established churches to choose names less denominational is also observable. It is a very Baptist thing these churches are doing—deciding for themselves how they’ll be known in their own communities. With a bit of intentional and continued work, our churches by nearly any names can also remain very Baptist things.</p>
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<p>This article was first published in the <a href="http://www.texanonline.net/%7b$column%7d/still-baptist-after-all-these-years-1"><em>Southern Baptist Texan</em></a> on November 4, 2011 and was reposted with permission of the author.</p>
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		<title>Thoughts on the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association Decisionabout Pleasant Valley Community ChurchPart 2: Reflections on the Significance of What Happened</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lemke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. &#8230; <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/04/thoughts-on-the-daviess-mclean-baptist-association-decisionabout-pleasant-valley-community-churchpart-2-reflections-on-the-significance-of-what-happened/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_" addthis:url='http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/04/thoughts-on-the-daviess-mclean-baptist-association-decisionabout-pleasant-valley-community-churchpart-2-reflections-on-the-significance-of-what-happened/' addthis:title='&#60;p style=&#34;text-align: center;&#34;&#62;&#60;em&#62;Thoughts on the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association Decision&#60;br /&#62;about Pleasant Valley Community Church&#60;br /&#62;&#60;/em&#62;Part 2: Reflections on the Significance of What Happened&#60;/p&#62; ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>]]></description>
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By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the </em><em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em><em> at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.</em></p>
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<p><a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/02/thoughts-on-the-daviess-mclean-baptist-association-decisionabout-pleasant-valley-community-churchpart-1-attempting-to-analyze-what-actually-happened">In Part 1</a>, I shared my perceptions (from admittedly incomplete knowledge) about the decision of Daviess-McLean Baptist Association (DMBA) to deny the membership request from Pleasant Valley Community Church (PVCC). The main point was that although theological issues were involved in the decision because of the strongly Calvinistic doctrine of PVCC, the decision appears to have been based more on attitudinal issues by PVCC that the member churches of DMBC felt could be divisive. Here are some brief reflections on my understanding of the significance of the association’s decision to deny membership to PVCC, and the implications of this action for other churches and associations as we move forward.</p>
<p><strong>(1)   <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The local church is the center of (earthly) authority in Baptist polity</span></em></strong>. Local church autonomy is a distinctive Baptist belief (<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/16/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-7local-church-autonomy-not-a-hierarchical-denominationalism/">as I have discussed</a>). The local churches in Daviess-McLean Baptist Association were perfectly within their rights to deny membership to Pleasant Valley Community Church. This determination was made not by associational officials, but by duly authorized messengers from the member churches of DMBA. They were voting as representatives of their own local church, not as representatives of the association as a whole. At the same time, DMBA has no authority to force PVCC to change their doctrine or practice. PVCC can worship as they choose, believe as they choose, and do church as they choose. The biblical foundation of church autonomy, of course, is the priority given to local churches in the New Testament. However, theologically it reflects that through the priesthood of believers (<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/24/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyterians/">another Baptist distinctive</a>), each member seeks the will of God, the headship of Jesus Christ, and the leadership of the Holy Spirit, and represents that divine leadership in voting on decisions in the church. This collective reflection of the will of God is much more reliable than putting this decision solely in the hands of a few fallible authoritarian leaders. This is a wonderful and marvelous thing that inflexible top-down hierarchical denominations like Catholics and Presbyterians “desire to look into” (1 Pet. 1:12, KJV).<br />
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<p><strong>(2)  <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Doctrine matters</span></em></strong>. The Daviess-McLean Baptist Association decision has underscored the fact that doctrine really does matter. Birds of a feather flock together. Churches that are in agreement in faith and practice tend to be more unified and harmonious. In this case, while acknowledging that the theology of PVCC was not heretical, and not going into specific detail about their theological concerns, the association did “recognize that it [PVCC’s theology] is vastly different than the majority of churches within the DMBA,” and thus would be potentially divisive. This decision is a powerful antidote to the strong pluralistic, ecumenical forces in our day that threaten to dull the doctrinal distinctives of evangelical Christians and denominations to be merged into an amorphous lowest common denominator which does not truly represent anyone’s real beliefs.</p>
<p><strong>(3)  <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Those who want to be accepted should make themselves acceptable</span></em></strong>. It is befitting for those seeking acceptance from others to try to minimize any possible hindrances to acceptance. It was PVCC seeking membership in DMBA, not vice versa. The onus of responsibility was thus on PVCC to demonstrate their cooperativeness and fit with DMBA and demonstrate their worthiness to join DMBA, not vice versa. Without knowing most of the details of this situation, it is evident from the overwhelming 104-9 vote of DMBA that PVCC did not take common sense steps to connect in positive ways with the association. PVCC did demonstrate that they valued and sought interaction with other faraway groups in such as the Acts 29 Network based in Seattle, Washington than they did fellowship with Southern Baptist churches in their own area. And when interaction did take place between PVCC and the local churches in DMBA, it evidently was not predominantly a positive experience. The Credential Committee’s findings noted that PVCC had not given evidence that it “would be sympathetic with the purpose and work of the body of the DMBA,&#8221; and noted that PVCC had practiced &#8220;an overall lack of the key elements of cooperation found in patience, humility, kindness, compassion and gentleness.&#8221; It clearly appeared to be these perceived uncooperative and somewhat arrogant attitudinal problems that “ultimately” led to the denial of PVCC from DMBA. This was a preventable tragedy, but PVCC (perhaps in part because of the inexperienced leadership and/or a doctrinaire inflexibility) must bear much of the responsibility for their own rejection.</p>
<p><strong>(4)  <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">This DMBA decision has a very limited impact on PVCC</span></em></strong>.  The main impact of this decision is that messengers from PVCC cannot vote in the annual session of DMBA.  I don’t think that being denied this minor privilege is going to cripple the ministry of PVCC. The DMBA’s decision does not bar PVCC from attending DMBA meetings. It does not delimit PVCC from attending DMBA training events, such as Sunday School training or Vacation Bible School training, if PVCC had any interest in these. It does not prohibit PVCC from membership in the Kentucky Baptist Convention or the SBC. It does not bar PVCC from participating in the evangelistic or missions efforts of DMBA (if PVCC’s theology did not prevent the church from desiring to do so). It does not prohibit PVCC from sending their youth or children to camps sponsored by the DMBA. It does not prevent PVCC from inviting other DMBA pastors to speak in their church for revivals (if PVCC’s doctrine does not prohibit themselves from having revivals) or in other worship services. It does not prevent PVCC from partnering on projects with individual DMBA churches. It does not prohibit PVCC from contributing money to DMBA or its related ministries. If PVCC were genuinely interested in demonstrating their cooperative spirit to DMBA, doing any or all of these things (and doing so in a sweet spirit) would go a long way in changing the perception of the churches in the association that PVCC has an uncooperative spirit. Again, the point is that one should not make more of this decision than the minor impact it has on PVCC.</p>
<p><strong>(5)  <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Sometimes unity requires division</span></em></strong>. As I noted in an earlier series of articles about the fault lines that divide Southern Baptists, there is a point at which it does not appear fruitful for two groups to continue walking together.  More unity is found by dividing into two groups rather than continuing irritating each other by constantly arguing and bickering with each other in the same group. I described this as the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/04/08/the-shot-heard-%e2%80%98round-the-sbc-part-c/">“in Adam” option</a> – <em>unity through division</em> (that is, taking human fallenness into consideration, divisions like this are inevitable). This was true of Southern Baptists and the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, and it may yet (and the odds are, it will) cause further such divisions over the issue of Calvinism (as SBC Executive Committee CEO Frank Page noted in a <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/10/18/an-interview-with-dr-frank-s-pagepresident-and-ceo-of-the-executive-committee-of-the-southern-baptist-convention/">recent SBC Today interview</a>) and/or along other fault lines in Southern Baptist life (<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/04/05/the-shot-heard-%e2%80%98round-the-sbc-part-a/">as I have noted</a>). For example, if churches like PVCC continue finding more commonality with groups such as Acts 29 or the Founders group prior to and over against local associations – networking with them, going to their meetings, seeking their counsel, etc., as <a href="http://www.acts29network.org/article/pleasant-valley-community--owensboro-ky/">Pastor Edwards’ interview</a> on the Acts 29 website indicates – it is inevitable that these alternative groups like Acts 29 and Founders will functionally become an association to themselves, start breaking down into statewide and regional fellowships, and eventually split into another denomination. If narrow doctrinal agreement is required for fellowship, these sorts of splits are inevitable in the SBC in the interest of unity and harmony.</p>
<p><strong>(6)  <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">True unity requires toleration of a greater range of differences</span></em></strong>. I believe that the Lord’s ideal for his churches is not that they splinter and divide, but that they “dwell together in unity” (Ps. 133:1). This is what I have called the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/04/09/the-shot-heard-%e2%80%98round-the-sbc-part-d/">“in Christ” option</a> – <em>unity through diversity</em>. For such a broader unity to be a reality, it is necessary that believers (and churches) be more tolerant and forgiving of each other. It requires that we must be content to agree on major points and agree to disagree on other points. It means in this case, for example, that PVCC not describe widely accepted Baptist patterns of church governance as “unbiblical.” Had Edwards just said in the interview that PVCC sought to discover the church polity that they felt the Bible affirmed, that would have been fine. But to condemn the polity of others as “unbiblical” does not build unity. Again, the DMBA finding that PVCC demonstrated &#8220;an overall lack of the key elements of cooperation found in patience, humility, kindness, compassion and gentleness&#8221; indicates that DMBA did not consider PVCC willing to demonstrate the tolerant attitudes demanded of true unity.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the association’s written findings were rather vague both in regard to the specific doctrinal issues which were problematic and in listing specific examples of the attitudinal issues which they found problematic. However, DMBA’s overwhelming 104-9 vote suggests that PVCC wasn’t even close to being acceptable. This was evidently not a hard decision for the association.</p>
<p>However, to achieve unity in a broader spectrum of churches, we must tolerate a wider range of differences. We must respect the autonomy of each local church, and respect the right of that church to be different in some ways. We must not insist that our perspective is the only biblical perspective on operational issues that are not clearly required in Scripture. We must have some flexibility in doctrinal issues, as long as they are not clearly unbiblical. We must strive to improve our communication and the attitudes we express in working with fellow believers to avoid repeated experiences such as this one in other associations.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. &#8230; <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/02/thoughts-on-the-daviess-mclean-baptist-association-decisionabout-pleasant-valley-community-churchpart-1-attempting-to-analyze-what-actually-happened/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_" addthis:url='http://sbctoday.com/2011/11/02/thoughts-on-the-daviess-mclean-baptist-association-decisionabout-pleasant-valley-community-churchpart-1-attempting-to-analyze-what-actually-happened/' addthis:title='&#60;p style=&#34;text-align: center;&#34;&#62;&#60;em&#62;Thoughts on the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association Decision&#60;br /&#62;about Pleasant Valley Community Church&#60;br /&#62;&#60;/em&#62;Part 1: Attempting to Analyze What Actually Happened&#60;/p&#62; ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>]]></description>
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By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the </em><em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em><em> at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.</em></p>
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<p>News stories from the <a href="http://www.westernrecorder.org/images/stories/E-Issues/WR111025.pdf"><em>Western Recorder</em></a>, from <a href="http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6881/53/">Associated Baptist Press</a>, and <a href="http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36423">Baptist Press </a>reported last week that the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association in Kentucky chose to deny membership to Pleasant Valley Community Church, purportedly in part because of the strong Calvinism affirmed by Pleasant Valley Community Church. In this article, I want to suggest my best guess of the factors which led to this decision. In Part 2 I want to suggest what could be some implications of this decision for other churches and associations in the SBC.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Some Important Caveats</span></strong></p>
<p>These are some wise dictums which we should normally heed as guidelines for wise living:</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dictum 1</span>: <em>Don’t get enmeshed in other people’s fights</em>.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dictum 2</span>:  <em>Don’t speak about things about which you have little knowledge, because when you open your mouth you’ll reveal your ignorance</em>.</p>
<p>I’m going to risk cautiously disobeying these wise dictums in order to comment on the denial of the application of <a href="http://www.owensborochurch.com/">Pleasant Valley Community Church</a> to join Daviess-McLean Baptist Association in Kentucky. (I could note that many blog commentators frequently violate both of these dictums). So let me do so with these important caveats:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>(a) I do not know anyone on either side associated with this event, nor have I spoken with them personally or communicated with them. The only thing I know comes through published reports and commentaries, and a couple of conversations with persons closer to the situation who have communicated with some of the persons involved. I have not read all of the documents associated with the event. So I am writing based on the limited published information I have seen, along with some hearsay evidence. That’s not very strong evidence in a court of law or in the scholarly world, and as a former journalist I would not publish such unconfirmed opinions as a factual news story. So what I am sharing is just my opinion or speculation based on my best understanding of the limited information I have.</em></p>
<p><em>(b) I am not a member of a church in the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association, so I have no real standing in this discussion. This is their decision, not mine. I am simply commenting on the event as an outside observer.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>With those important caveats in mind, I will share my perception in this Part 1 of the root causes of this event. As I best understand it, there are two primary contributing causes that led to this event – one more theological in character, and the other more attitudinal in nature. At this point, I am more interested in describing the <em>perceptions</em> involved than the <em>realities</em> involved – that is, I’m attempting to understand what perceptions may have led to this decision.  I have no way of judging the accuracy of those perceptions. Perceptions aren’t always the same as reality, but they do impact reality. Again, I want to be very clear that some of this at least to some degree speculation on my part, based on the available evidence. Then, in Part 2, I’ll suggest some implications of this decision in other associations, and propose a way that might help avoid repeated occurrences of similar events in other associations.<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Theological Aspect</span></strong></p>
<p>The presenting problem, as it has been described in all the published reports, is the theological problem that the other churches in the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association (DMBA) found the strong Calvinism of Pleasant Valley Community Church to be unpalatable. The brief DMBA statement unfortunately offers an overly abbreviated their discussion of this issue, rather than providing a more detailed discussion. As reported in the <a href="http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6881/53/">Associated Baptist Press story</a>, the Credentials Committee noted that the doctrine of Pleasant Valley Community Church was “Calvinistic in nature,” and “affirms the doctrine of election and grace.” Clearly, this alone would not make the doctrine of Pleasant Valley Community Church unbaptistic. Article V of the Baptist Faith and Message is entitled “God’s Purpose of Grace,” and begins with the words, “Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which God regenerates, justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. It is consistent with the free agency of man, and comprehends all the means in connection with the end.” So belief in election and grace would make a church’s doctrine baptistic, not unbaptistic. The association would have to go into much greater detail than their statement does (at least, the part of it quoted in published reports) to clarify what they found problematic in PVCC’s doctrine. It would have been especially helpful to us outside observers had the association been more specific about the doctrinal issue involved.</p>
<p>However, from what we can discern about Pleasant Valley Community Church, its doctrine was apparently so obviously and distinctively Calvinistic that a more detailed statement seemed unnecessary to the association for this purpose.  It was sufficient for the Credentials Committee to note that “we do recognize that it [the theology of PVCC] is vastly different than the majority of churches within the DMBA.”  The association voted 104-9 to deny admittance to Pleasant Valley Community Church to DMBA. This wasn’t a close vote. This indicates that the doctrine of PVCC was well known among the ministers in the association, and it was significantly different in some important ways.</p>
<p>It is not surprising that that the overwhelming majority of pastors in this or another association would differ in doctrine from a church that is strongly and exceptionally Calvinist in its doctrine. <a href="http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=23993">LifeWay statistics</a> indicate that 90 percent of Southern Baptist pastors are not five point Calvinists. If most associations were minded to deny or remove from membership all Reformed churches, the majority of most associations could do so merely by voting their own doctrinal beliefs. In fact, however, few associations have denied membership to churches over the doctrines of Calvinism, and the pastor who nominated PVCC for membership in DMBA was not a five-point Calvinist. By and large, associations that are made up predominantly of non-Calvinist churches have been accepting of Calvinist churches into their fellowship. So what made PVCC stand out so much from DMBA?</p>
<p>The “Pastor of Preaching and Vision” of Pleasant Valley Community Church, recent Southern Baptist Theological Seminary graduate Jamus Edwards (whose picture reflects a handsome young man), downplayed his church’s distinctive Calvinism to the <a href="http://www.westernrecorder.org/images/stories/E-Issues/WR111025.pdf"><em>Western Recorder</em></a>, telling them that the church does not self-identify as Calvinist because it is not “helpful in most contexts” but rather “distracting and largely misunderstood, precisely like it was in this situation with the DMBA.” However, Edwards’ statement seems a little disingenuous in light of a number of factors. First of all, not only did PVCC refrain from using “Baptist” in their name, but also rather than making the Baptist Faith and Message 2000 their confession, the church has its <a href="https://acrobat.com/app.html#d=ZCp-cXF-bsKGqLoSSvojnA">own 60 page doctrinal confession instead</a>, which is unambiguously Calvinistic. For example, the PVCC confession affirms hard determinism:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“From before the foundation of the world, in order to display His glory, God freely and unchangeably ordained all things that would come to pass. From the casting of the lot, to the bird falling from the sky, to the activities of the nations, to the plans of politicians, to the secret acts of individuals, to what will happen to us tomorrow, to scheduling the very day that we will die, God has written our stories and the stories of the entire universe.”</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>Also in the PVCC confession, God’s absolute predestination of everything that happens includes “the results of His plan of salvation as set forth in the Gospel of Jesus Christ” in double predestination:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“We believe that God’s election is unconditional &#8212; from Old Testament Israel to individual sinners. That is, from before the foundation of the world, God chose in His grace to save for Himself an elect people through Jesus Christ. God’s choice of His elect was in no way affected, or conditioned by, some merit or deed that He foresaw these individuals would possess. Neither (as many argue) did God make His choice based upon those whom He foresaw ‘would’ have chosen Him of their own will and accord.”</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>Another piece of evidence – PVCC’s strong identification with the Acts 29 Network – undermines Edwards’ claim that PVCC does not self-identify itself with Calvinists. Edwards has an <a href="http://www.acts29network.org/article/pleasant-valley-community--owensboro-ky/">interview in the Acts 29 Network website</a> in which he clearly identifies PVCC with that group (giving special appreciation to the influence of Mark Driscoll on his life). Since the Acts 29 confession requires agreement with <a href="http://www.acts29network.org/about/doctrine/">Calvinistic theology</a> (note Acts 29 doctrine four, being “Reformed” in its view of salvation) as a prerequisite for participation, it appears that Edwards should have at least qualified his statement somewhat. Indeed, it is evident from the article that PVCC sought the approval of the Acts 29 Network before it sought membership in the DMBC.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Edwards states in the interview that in becoming pastor he “inherited an unbiblical leadership model (church government structure).” [Edwards does not describe specifically what this “unbiblical leadership model” was, but one could imagine that it was a polity common in Baptist churches, and perhaps closer to the polity outlined in the Baptist Faith and Message than PVCC’s elder-led polity]. Edwards continues: “In an effort to transition out of this unbiblical model, we took over a year to teach through 1 Timothy and the biblical model for church government. The Scriptures began to do the work and eventually the church body eagerly accepted the elder-led model.”  However Pastor Edwards reads 1 Timothy 3, the chapter that discusses the qualifications and responsibilities of the two scriptural offices in a New Testament church, it cannot possibly advocate the Presbyterian elder-led model as opposed to <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-timothy/3.html">Baptist polity</a> – in fact, the word “elder” doesn’t even appear in that chapter! Edwards obviously appears to be reading his Calvinistic theology into Scripture, rather than allowing Scripture to determine his theology.</p>
<p>So, taking all this evidence into account, it appears that Edwards’ claim that the church did not self-identify as a Calvinist fellowship is somewhat inaccurate. In fact, the church took a number of steps to distinguish themselves from other Baptist churches in name and doctrine, and sought to align themselves with Calvinistic groups before seeking membership in the DMBC. This unambiguous Calvinism was evident to the other churches in DMBA.</p>
<p>This is not the first time or the only issue that the Daviess-McLean Baptist Association has chosen not to be in fellowship with a church whose doctrinal views significantly differed from the other churches in the association. As the <a href="http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6881/53/">Associated Baptist Press story</a> mentioned, DMBA voted 242-24 to withdraw fellowship from the Journey Fellowship (formerly named Seven Hills Baptist Church in Owensboro) because they hosted a group which they viewed as accepting or endorsing homosexuality. So the DMBA does not appear to be on a one-issue “witch hunt” about Calvinism, but is interested that the churches in the association be of like faith and practice in the interest of unity. This concern for doctrinal agreement is commendable. In fact, associations in general tend to be rather generous (perhaps overly so at times) in allowing for doctrinal diversity and respecting local congregational autonomy. For example, Broadway Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas has been removed from membership from both the Southern Baptist Convention and the Baptist General Convention of Texas because of their open advocacy of a homosexual lifestyle, but last I heard, they are still members in good standing with the Tarrant Baptist Association.</p>
<p>However, returning to the DMBA issue, as we often discover in counseling, it is often the case that the “presenting issue” cited as the problem at the beginning of the conversation turns out to be not the major issue when the problem is explored in greater depth. It becomes evident that there is some other deeper issue which is the most basic problem. While I’m confident that discussions about Calvinist doctrine were an important aspect of these discussions, it seems to me that the doctrinal issue was more of a “presenting issue” than a “real issue.” That leads me to the next section, the Attitudinal Aspect.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>The Attitudinal Aspect</strong></span></p>
<p>As the <a href="http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36423">Baptist Press story</a> on this issue underscored (and this has been confirmed to me by persons familiar with the situation and have talked with some of the persons involved), although it appears that there were doctrinal issues involved in denying membership to PVCC, the issues involving Calvinism did not appear to be the primary problem.  (The Baptist Press story brought out this attitudinal aspect more, while the Associated Baptist Press story underscored the theological aspect of the decision). Indeed, according to published reports, the association’s Credentials Committee said, “Ultimately, we were not satisfied that Pleasant Valley Community Church would be sympathetic with the purpose and work of the body of the DMBA,&#8221; and expressed concern about &#8220;an overall lack of the key elements of cooperation found in patience, humility, kindness, compassion and gentleness&#8221; from PVCC.</p>
<p>The Daviess-McLean Baptist Association committee openly acknowledged in their documents that the Pleasant Valley Community Church’s doctrine was not heretical or aberrant. According to published reports, the Credentials Committee findings stated that “We believe the teaching of Pleasant Valley Community Church to be sound in their doctrine,&#8221; and that “We know the doctrine is not heresy.” Clearly, then, the association had no question about the fact that PVCC was not aberrant or heretical in doctrine, but they did “recognize that it is vastly different than the majority of churches within the DMBA.” So, although the “presenting issue” in this case was doctrinal, it would appear that this was not just the doctrinal issue, and in fact, the issue clearly appears to be primarily one of fellowship, not doctrine.  It may be (and this is just my speculation) that the mention of Calvinism in the decision was directed more toward the nexus of negative attitudes and actions sometimes associated with some neo-Calvinists than purely the theological issues <em>per se</em>.</p>
<p>One public relations or image problem being experienced by contemporary neo-Calvinism is that the negative attitudes and actions of a few have come to stereotype the whole. This is not an observation made only by persons on the opposite side of this issue. Calvinists and other non-agenda driven friends such as <a href="http://www.edstetzer.com/2011/09/joe-thorn-and-fake-calvinists.html">Ed Stetzer</a>, <a href="http://www.joethorn.net/2011/09/29/5-ways-to-be-a-good-calvinist-1/feed">Joe Thorn</a> (and <a href="http://www.joethorn.net/2011/09/14/angry-calvinists/">here</a>), <a href="http://sbcvoices.com/a-theory-on-church-splits/">Dave Miller</a>, <a href="http://sbcvoices.com/you-cant-make-this-stuff-up-by-william-thornton/">William Thornton</a> (and <a href="http://sbcvoices.com/why-im-wary-of-calvinists-by-william-thornton/">here</a>), <a href="http://fromlaw2grace.com/2011/07/27/questioning-calvinism-watching-the-mud-fly/">Howell Scott</a>, and others have expressed concern and even embarrassment about some neo-Calvinists who express these attitudes. As they correctly note, these attitudes give “angry Calvinists” (and their Lord) a bad name. It was a high Calvinist who taught me the term “Calvinazis,” referring to a fringe group of neo-Calvinists who sometimes exemplify strongly negative attitudes and actions at times. They characterize persons of this ilk as sometimes being angry, argumentative, arrogant, belligerent, combative, contemptuous, divisive, and schismatic. By no means are these attitudes represented by all or most neo-Calvinists, and nor am I suggesting that these attitudes were necessarily represented by anyone associated with PVCC. However, it is the nature of such stereotypes that the negative attitudes and actions of a few can color the reputation of the many. In this cyberspace age, a pastor of a small Reformed church plant can have as much or more impact through the evangelical blogosphere as larger church pastors and respected leaders. The extreme actions of a few color the perceptions of the many. Hence there is need for more circumspect neo-Calvinists to attempt to control those within their own fellowship who are more extreme in expressing these negative attitudes and actions (as many of the articles cited above sought to do).</p>
<p>The 104-9 vote by the messengers of local churches in Daviess-McLean Baptist Association to deny admittance to Pleasant Valley Community Church suggests that DMBA had experienced some problems with the attitudinal perspectives expressed by PVCC in a way that made the churches in DMBA reluctant to enter into fellowship with them. This was evidently why, despite acknowledging that PVCC had no doctrinal error, the member churches of the association agreed with the Credentials Committee that “ultimately” there was reason to doubt that “Pleasant Valley Community Church would be sympathetic with the purpose and work of the body of the DMBA,&#8221; and that PVCC demonstrated &#8220;an overall lack of the key elements of cooperation found in patience, humility, kindness, compassion and gentleness.&#8221; It was evidently the offensive attitudes that were exhibited by PVCC (as perceived by the member churches of DMBA), perhaps some of the attitudes stereotypically associated with some neo-Calvinists, which led the DMBA to choose to deny membership to PVCC in DMBA. The churches of DMBA (by overwhelming numbers) evidently valued harmony and unity in the association over the inclusion of a church whose leadership had already given the churches in DMBA a perception that they were lacking in cooperativeness and gentleness of spirit.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Conclusion</span></strong></p>
<p>Let me say again that my knowledge of this situation is limited and from outside the situation, so it is possible that I may have read the situation incorrectly. But this is the sense I got from reading the published reports and talking with people familiar with the situation. In Part 2 of this article, I will suggest some possible implications of the DMBA decision for future similar situations in other churches and associations in the SBC.</p>
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By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the </em><em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em><em> at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Introduction/Summary</span></em></strong></p>
<p>This series has attempted to delineate historical doctrinal differences between Baptists and Presbyterians. Most of the nine points I have addressed were explicitly held by the Particular Baptists in contradistinction from the Presbyterian or Reformed theology from which they separated themselves. These, then, are distinctively <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baptist</span></em> beliefs. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/24/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyterians/"><strong>first Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was a cluster of interrelated beliefs &#8212; soul competency, priesthood of all believers, and religious liberty. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/25/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-2%e2%80%94the-age-or-state-of-accountability/">s<strong>econd Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed was the age (or state) of accountability; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/30/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-3%e2%80%94believers-baptism-or-the-gathered-church/"><strong>third Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was believer’s baptism (or “the gathered church;” and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/02/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-4%e2%80%94baptism-by-the-mode-of-immersion/"><strong>fourth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> was baptism by mode of immersion, the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/06/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-5%e2%80%94baptism-and-the-lord%e2%80%99s-supper-as-symbolic-ordinances-not-sacraments/"><strong>fifth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> (in contrast with Presbyterian Calvinism) was baptism and the Lord’s Supper as symbolic ordinances, not sacraments; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/13/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-6%e2%80%94congregational-church-polity-not-presbyterian-elder-rule/"><strong>sixth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed congregational church polity (in contrast to Presbyterian elder rule); the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/16/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-7local-church-autonomy-not-a-hierarchical-denominationalism"><strong>seventh Baptist distinctive</strong></a>, examined the autonomy of the local church and how it is not a hierarchical denomination; and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/21/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-8two-scriptural-officers-pastorbishopelder-and-deaconnot-three-officers-%e2%80%93pas/"><strong>eighth Baptist distinctive</strong></a>, I described the two scriptural officers (Pastor/Bishop/Elder and Deacon) and how they are not three (Pastor/Bishop, Elder and Deacon). The ninth and final Baptist distinctive that I will discuss is the importance of human freedom at conversion and how that undergirds the rationale for <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">decisional conversion offered through gospel invitations</span></em>.[1]</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Distinctive Baptist Belief #9:</span></em></strong><br />
<strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Decisional Conversion/Gospel Invitations</span></em></strong></p>
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<p>One basic fault line between most Baptists and Presbyterians regards the ability of sinful humans to respond to God.[2] The <em>BF&amp;M </em>repeatedly affirms human freedom to respond and to make decisions. The “future decisions of His free creatures” are foreknown by God;[3] and God’s election to salvation “is consistent with the free agency of man.”[4] Persons are created by God “in His own image,” originally “innocent of sin” and endowed by God with “freedom of choice.” Even after the Fall, “every person of every race possesses full dignity.”[5] Salvation “is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.” In regeneration the sinner responds in repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus,” and repentance “is a genuine turning from sin toward God” and faith is “acceptance of Jesus Christ and commitment of the entire personality to Him as Lord and Savior.”[6] The picture that emerges from the <em>BF&amp;M </em>is that while sinful humans certainly cannot save themselves by any combination of good works, God requires persons to utilize the freedom of choice He created within them to respond to His gracious offer of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.[7]<br />
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<p>Central to this Baptist perspective is that salvation fundamentally involves a <em>response </em>or choice on the part of the convert. Note the role for human response in the words of W. T. Conner, longtime theology professor at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, in expressing the balance between God’s sovereign grace and human agency:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Jesus regarded men as sinful&#8211;all men&#8211;but He did not believe that men were fixed in their sinful state. He knew the love of God toward men, and He believed in the possibility of winning men to a favorable response to God’s grace. . . . Jesus did not believe, then, that man could lift himself out of his sinful state in his own strength, but He did believe that men could respond to God’s grace and let God lift them out of their sins. It is true that this response was one that was won from the man by the grace of God offering to save man. Yet it was man&#8217;s response. And Jesus counted on such a response on the part of sinful men. . . . He welcomed such a response. He eagerly watched for it. He said there was rejoicing over it in the presence of the angels in heaven.[8]</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>The primary vehicle for facilitating and experiencing this sort of human response in decisional conversion has been the public invitation. The Second Great Awakening engendered the explosion of the number of Baptists in North America, and although models for offering public invitations go all the way back to Pentecost, the use of the public invitation or altar call became a fixture in Baptist worship services after the Great Awakenings. The Separate Baptists of the Sandy Creek tradition brought this revivalistic focus into the Southern Baptist mainstream. There have been many famous Southern Baptist pastors and evangelists for whom the public invitation has been designed to be the high time in the worship service – none more prominent than the famous evangelist Billy Graham, whose image is canonized in a statue in front of the SBC building in Nashville.</p>
<p>There are scriptural and historical reasons for offering such a public invitation,[9] but doctrinally a decisional public invitation is logically entailed in other Baptist beliefs such as soul competency, believer’s baptism, and the gathered church. Only adults (those beyond the age of accountability) can have soul competence, can make a life commitment through repentance and faith that is the prerequisite to believer’s baptism, and become a member of a gathering of intentional believers. Many such decisions come at the end of a fairly long process as the Holy Spirit works through many events to lead the person to make such a decision (by convicting them of their sin and convincing them of the life-saving truth that is in Christ), but at some point it all comes down to a moment of decision. This moment of decision often comes in the midst of a worship service in response to the preached Word of God. The preaching of the Word in a worship setting and public invitations provide a particularly effective vehicle for the Holy Spirit to enable persons to get away from the distractions of life and focus on eternally significant spiritual issues. The public invitation presupposes what might be called a “decisional” view of salvation, as opposed to a more gradual or developmental view of salvation. In the “decisional” view of salvation, a sinner presented with the gospel can respond to God’s calling in a decisional moment through repentance and faith. Public invitations provide the opportunity for persons to be confronted with life-changing decisions and to make public the decisions that have been made.</p>
<p>There are many forms of public invitations. Some call for the person to come to the front of the church at the end of a worship service, counsel with the pastor or other spiritual counselors, and if the person comes to a decision for Christ (or has already made a decision), that decision is announced to the congregation. This approach is called by some an “alter call” (though I do not prefer that designation). Sometimes a more gradual approach might be taken, asking persons who are struggling with a decision to raise their hands or stand, pray for them, and then make an appeal to come to the altar if they feel led to make a decision. In other cases those who are struggling with a decision may be invited to come to the altar to pray, or to sit on an “anxious bench” (this was utilized particularly in the Second Great Awakening), or to go into another room to receive prayer and spiritual counseling. However, what all these various methodologies have in common is that they present an opportunity for persons struggling with a spiritual decision (whether for salvation, rededication, church membership, or a call to ministry) to come to a prayerful decision. It also affords a way to meet the scriptural requirement to publicly identify themselves with Jesus Christ, who Himself said, “Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father who is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 10:32-33). Thus, any form of invitation which provides an opportunity for personal decision and public confession would seem to be consistent with the requirements of the BF&amp;M doctrine of salvation.</p>
<p>Presbyterians, on the other hand, tend to downplay public invitations and decisional presentations of the gospel. Although there are notable exceptions, most Presbyterians tend to focus on a more gradualist developmental approach to salvation. After infants are sprinkled, they later undergo catechetical training and are confirmed. In practice, the catechetical training is often more cognitive than volitional, and confirmation is more age-driven and developmental than decision-driven. The anti-conversionist “Old Light Calvinists” opposed the Great Awakenings because of their soteriological convictions. Although the pro-conversionist New Light Calvinists became the majority, the presence of infant baptism nonetheless diminishes the significance of decisional conversion in the Presbyterian doctrine of salvation. Modern day Old Light Calvinists such as David Engelsma reject the notion that adult or decisional conversion is required at all: “Speaking for myself, to the brash, presumptuous question sometimes put to me by those of a revivalist, rather than covenantal, mentality, ‘When were you converted?’ I have answered in all seriousness, ‘When was I not converted?’”[10] Further, Engelsma declares, “As a Reformed minister and parent, I have no interest whatever in conversion as the basis for viewing baptized children as God’s dear children, loved of him from eternity, redeemed by Jesus, and promised the Holy Spirit, the author of faith. None!”[11] This gradualist, covenantal view of salvation is far from the Baptist decisional view of salvation.</p>
<p>Some strongly Calvinistic Baptists have become enchanted with the Presbyterian model and would like to inject it into Southern Baptist life, particularly in regard to public invitations. In a discussion that would be astonishing to most Southern Baptists in the pew, a Southern Baptist seminary publication printed a debate between three of its faculty members about whether or not it is unbiblical for churches to have an invitation for the lost to be saved at the end of the worship service.[12] Jim Elliff argued that “it is my contention that our use of the altar call and the accouterment of a ‘sinner’s prayer’ is a sign of our lack of trust in God.”[13] Elliff claimed that “there is no biblical precedent or command regarding a public altar call,” but it was an invention of Charles Finney, and that “the sad truth is that it [the sinner’s prayer] is not found anywhere but in the back of evangelistic booklets.”[14] Elliff further questions the practice of pastors who would share Scripture verses about assurance of salvation with new believers, or to present them to the church publicly for baptism, because Elliff believes that the majority of these would-be converts are probably not genuinely saved.[15] As Ken Keathley has demonstrated,[16] Elliff’s suggestions do not stand up to the tests of Scripture and logic. While we should always guard against excesses of revivalism or emotional manipulation which might lead to a mere emotional response that lacks any real commitment, we should be eager to accept even a thief on a cross into the Kingdom. C. H. Spurgeon complained that some of his fellow Calvinists seemed “half afraid that perhaps some may overstep the bounds of election and get saved who should not be,” and claimed that “there will be more in heaven than we expect to see there by a long way.”[17]</p>
<p>It may be that the move away from having public invitations in Baptist churches is a contributing cause to why Southern Baptists baptized 50,000 fewer people per year in 2010 than we did in 1955, when public invitations were standard in virtually every Southern Baptist worship service. SBC churches baptized only 349,737 persons last year, which is 84,546 baptisms fewer than the 416, 867 baptisms we witnessed in 1955.  This stunning decline in baptisms is made all the worse by the fact that in the last 55 years our churches have increased significantly in every key statistical area except baptisms. We have over 15,000 more new churches in 2010 than in 1955, an increase of 50 percent (45,000 now vs. 30,000 then), but we had about 85,000 fewer baptisms. Church planting alone has obviously NOT been the answer. We have almost doubled our church membership from 8.4 million members in 1955 to 16.1 million members in 2010, but with 85,000 fewer baptisms. Our giving has increased exponentially from $334 million in 1955 to almost $12 billion in 2010, but there were 85,000 fewer baptisms. The population of the United States nearly doubled since 1955 (from about 165 million to over 308 million), but baptisms in Southern Baptist churches has been reduced significantly. In 1955 a person was baptized for every 20 church members; in 2010 that had more than doubled to 49 church members needed to reach and baptize one person. What’s worse, over half of the adult baptisms in SBC churches are actually rebaptisms, including believers coming from other denominations, so to count them is really double counting the same people. And nearly 80 percent of our churches are plateaued or declining.[18] At some level, if one might transpose the truth of James 4:2 (we have not because we ask not) to a different application, it may very well be that we have fewer decisions for Christ because we ask fewer to make decisions. It would seem that a re-emphasis on intentional evangelism and well-crafted public invitations could help reverse these embarrassing numerical trends, which reflect that we have been disobedient to the Great Commission and that we are not being the pliable vessels that God is using to transform lives through our churches that we were fifty years ago.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A Call for Doctrinal Integrity and Diversity within Christian Unity</span></strong></p>
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<p>In an earlier post entitled “<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/06/07/the-middle-way"><strong>The Middle Way</strong></a>,” I asserted that centrist Baptists are “the middle way” between Arminians and Calvinists/Presbyterians, and listed a dozen ways in which centrist Baptists differed from various Arminian groups. Now, this series has focused on nine key doctrinal differences between Baptists and Presbyterians (which did <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> include the five point summary of Reformed soteriology best known by the TULIP acronym&#8211;for a critique of five-point Calvinism from a centrist Baptist perspective see our book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whosoever-Will-Biblical-Theological-Five-Point-Calvinism/dp/0805464166"><strong><em>Whosoever Will</em></strong></a>).</p>
<p>Why all the focus on differences of belief?  Because we live in an era in which doctrinal distinctives tend to be minimalized in a non-denominational and ecumenical babble that suggests all Christians essentially believe the same things, or relegates important doctrinal issues to a tertiary status through a subjective theological triage. The high value given to multiculturalism and toleration in our culture tends to encourage breaking down barriers and to discourage the erection of fences between various traditions. The purpose of this series has been to point out that real doctrinal differences do still exist between various Christian traditions. To paraphrase Robert Frost, “Good fences make good (denominational) neighbors.”</p>
<p>In no way is this series of articles intended to diminish the practice and beliefs of fellow believers in other denominations. All denominations that broadly share the Reformation heritage share more beliefs in common (orthodox Nicean Christianity plus key Reformation beliefs) than beliefs on which we differ.  I have spent little effort in arguing that the Presbyterian perspectives are incorrect (which is not to say that I do not have reasons for believing so). My focus has been pointing out that real differences exist in doctrine between Presbyterians and Baptists, and to define what some of those differences are. Each of us has the right and responsibility before God to interpret the Bible to the best of our ability and practice what it says.</p>
<p>Let Baptists be Baptists by conviction, and let Presbyterians be Presbyterians by conviction. May we be unified as witnesses to Christ for the glory of God, and one in the Spirit in our affirmation of Jesus as Lord, but also people of integrity who do not compromise our doctrinal convictions!</p>
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<p>[1] The paper from which these posts are drawn (plus responses from three theological perspectives) was originally presented at a conference sponsored by the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. See Steve Lemke, “What Is a Baptist? Nine Marks that Separate Baptists from Presbyterians,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em> 5, no. 2 (Fall 2008):10-39, available online at <a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11">http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11</a>. It has been posted in this blog format in <em>SBC Today</em> to facilitate discussion on these issues.</p>
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<p>[2] In the Calvinistic understanding of total depravity, humans are incapable of such a response to God’s gracious offer of salvation. While some Calvinistic Baptists do affirm “total inability,” this is a minority view. Many might Southern Baptists say they believe in the “T” of the TULIP (total depravity), in fact their view is closer to the <em>radical depravity </em>described by Timothy George – that is, they believe in the radical and universal depravity of all humanity, but they believe that humans can still respond to the promptings of the Holy Spirit and express faith in Christ. For more on this approach, see Timothy George, <em>Amazing Grace: God’s Initiative – Our Response </em>(Nashville: Lifeway, 2000), 71-83. All Baptists believe that all persons of age are sinners, and that they cannot be saved without the grace of God and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, but most Baptists still believe in some role for human choice or response to the gracious offer of God.</p>
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<p>[3] <em>BF&amp;M</em>, Art. 2.</p>
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<p>[4] Ibid., Art. 5.</p>
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<p>[5] Ibid., Art. 3.</p>
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<p>[6] Ibid., Art. 4.</p>
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<p>[7] These issues of interpretation about the human and divine role in salvation did not arise originally with Calvin and Arminius, of course, but from Augustine and his successors in conversation with Pelagius and the semi-Pelagians. As Rebecca Harden Weaver ably details in <em>Divine Grace and Human Agency: A Study of the Semi-Pelagian Controversy</em> (Macon, GA: Mercer University Press, 1996), Augustine had argued that salvation comes totally and gratuitously from God, because fallen humans are incapable of responding positively to God in any way. Pelagius and the Semi-Pelagians affirmed that salvation is by grace, but Pelagius (to a greater degree) and the Semi-Pelagians (to a lesser degree) affirmed some role for human agency in salvation. In an excellent survey of the controversy, Rebecca Harden Weaver points to the role that the culture of good works in the monastic system played in discussion. Personally, I found the Augustinians to understate the role of human response in salvation and the Pelagians and Semi-Pelagians to understate the role of divine grace in salvation. I suppose you could call me a semi- Augustinian semi-Pelagian, or, as we are better known, a Baptist.</p>
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<p>[8] W. T. Conner, “Jesus, The Friend of Sinners,” in <em>The Christ We Need </em>(Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1938), 45. Mark Coppenger in his article in <em>The Founder’s Journal </em>on “The Ascent of Lost Man in Southern Baptist Preaching” cited this quotation as a mistaken view of human depravity (see <a href="http://founders.org/journal/fj25/article1.html">http://founders.org/journal/fj25/article1.html</a>). I believe that most Southern Baptists resonate with the balance between divine sovereignty and human response in Conner’s perspective. But in the Calvinistic understanding of total depravity, humans are incapable of such a response to God’s gracious offer of salvation. Although many Southern Baptists say they believe in the “T” of the TULIP (total depravity), in fact their view is closer to the <em>radical depravity </em>described by Timothy George. While all Baptists believe that all persons of age are sinners, and that they cannot be saved without the grace of God and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, most Baptists still believe in a role for human choice or response to the gracious offer of God.</p>
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<p>[9] See R. Alan Streett, “The Public Invitation and Calvinism,” in <em>Whosoever Will: A Biblical-Theological Critique of Five-Point Calvinism</em>, ed. Steve Lemke and David Allen (Nashville: Broadman and Holman Academic, 2010), 233-251.</p>
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<p>[10] David J. Engelsma, <em>The Covenant of God and the Children of Believers: Sovereign Grace in the Covenant </em>(Grandville, MI: Reformed Free Publishing Association, 2005), 13–16.</p>
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<p>[11] Ibid., 82.</p>
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<p>[12] The three articles were printed under the heading of “Walking the Aisle,” in <em>Heartland </em>(Summer 1999):1, 4-9, a publication of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. The three articles were “Closing with Christ,” by Jim Elliff, which argued that altar calls were unbiblical; “Rescuing the Perishing,” by Ken Keathley, which argued that invitations were biblical and appropriate, and “Kairos and the ‘Altar Call’,” by Mark Coppenger, which allowed for some limited use of altar calls.</p>
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<p>[13] Elliff, “Closing with Christ,” 6.  (For a rebuttal of this claim, see Streett, “Calvinism and the Public Invitation,” in <em>Whosoever Will</em>, 241-245).</p>
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<p>[14] Ibid., 7.</p>
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<p>[15] Ibid.</p>
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<p>[16] Keathley more than adequately refutes these claims with biblical evidence in “Rescuing the Perishing,” 4-5. See Ken Keathley, “Rescue the Perishing: A Defense of Giving Invitations,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry </em>1, no. 1 (Spring 2003):4-16, available online from the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry of New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary at <a href="http://baptistcenter.com/Journal%20Articles/Spr%202003/02%20Rescuing%20the%20Perishing%20-%20Spr%202003.pdf">http://baptistcenter.com/Journal%20Articles/Spr%202003/02%20Rescuing%20the%20Perishing%20-%20Spr%202003.pdf</a>.</p>
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<p>[17] C. H. Spurgeon, <em>Tabernacle Pulpit</em>, 17:449, and 12:477, cited in George, <em>Amazing Grace</em>, 77.</p>
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<p>[18] This data comes from United States census reports and Annual Church Profile (ACP) reports from Southern Baptist churches, collected by Bill Day, Associate Director of the Leavell Center for Evangelism and Church Health at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. For more details, see studies such as his “The State of the Church in the Southern Baptist Convention” and “A Study of Growing, Plateaued, and Declining SBC Churches: 2004.” Most of the information in these studies in published in William H. Day, Jr., “The State of Membership Growth, Sunday School, and Evangelism in the Southern Baptist Convention 1900-2002,” in <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry, </em>vol. 1, no. 2 (Fall 2003): 107-21, available online at the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry website at <a href="http://baptistcenter.com/Journal%20Articles/Fall%202003/07%20The%20State%20of%20Membership%20Growth%20-%20Fall%202003.pdf">http://baptistcenter.com/Journal%20Articles/Fall%202003/07%20The%20State%20of%20Membership%20Growth%20-%20Fall%202003.pdf</a>.</p>
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		<title>What the Church Is</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Nelson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Dan Nelson, Pastor, First Baptist Church, Camarillo, CA Great confusion exists over what the church is. If we understand what the church is and what God wants to do through us in the church, then we can function as &#8230; <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/22/what-the-church-is/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><div class="addthis_toolbox addthis_default_style addthis_" addthis:url='http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/22/what-the-church-is/' addthis:title='What the Church Is ' ><a class="addthis_button_preferred_1"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_2"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_3"></a><a class="addthis_button_preferred_4"></a><a class="addthis_button_compact"></a></div>]]></description>
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<em>By Dan Nelson, Pastor, First Baptist Church, Camarillo, CA</em></p>
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<p>Great confusion<strong> </strong>exists over what the church is. If we understand what the church is and what God wants to do through us in the church, then we can function as the body of Christ. This will help us to grow as Christians.</p>
<p>There are several reasons for the confusion that exists over what the church is. Luther did not get it right in the Protestant reformation. He affirmed the way a person is saved is by grace through faith in Christ’s sacrifice for us, but he retained the invisible church, retained infant baptism, and the Lord’s Supper remained more than a memorial ordinance. Just because non-denominational groups are everywhere does not mean God can not use them. These groups go to visible churches to take up offerings. A recent Christian televangelist said, “Take your money and send it to a spirit-filled church.” The assumption is every believer makes up the church. They comprise the kingdom of God but not the church.</p>
<p>I want to help you understand what the church really is if you will hear with the word of God. I do so that we can be the church as the body of Christ in this community<strong>.</strong><br />
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<p>These progressions tell us what the church is:</p>
<p><strong>I. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Church is a PEOPLE</span>.</strong></p>
<p><strong><em> </em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God”<em> (Eph. 2:18).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The church is not a building but a people. It is a living organism. He is the head, we are the body. John was beheaded and he ceased to exist in this life. Christ’s body is people and the head and body should not be severed. The chicken with its head cut off could function but not for long.</p>
<p>I started to entitle this message, “How not to be a Spiritually Homeless person. Some homeless people chose to be where they are but others are forced out and we are to have compassion on them and try to help them. But no born-again believer should be without a spiritual home. If I were to ask you where you lived and you said everywhere, that would be a crazy answer unless you lived out of a motor-home.</p>
<p>But that’s the way many believers are who say they are not members of a local church but members of the invisible one. You are just as much spiritually homeless as one is physically homeless.</p>
<p>The building is not the church. We say we are going down to church. What you really ought to mean is you as a church are going to assemble at the meeting place of the church. We sometimes call the building “the sanctuary.” That actually means a place where endangered species live. The church is not an endangered species. It is marching against the gates of Hell. There are those in society who would like to put the church in a closet or put us out of existence, while bringing out things that should not even been in the closet in the first place.</p>
<p>The early church did not have buildings. So they rightly understood that church was people. Paul reminds them of who they were and what they had become. It is a sign of inclusion instead of exclusion. To be fellow citizens with the saints means that we share common rights and privileges.</p>
<p>The Baptist church is the closest form of government to our own government because of free election on church matters. James Madison went to a Baptist business meeting conducted by John Leyland to see a working model of how our government should operate.</p>
<p><strong>II. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Church is a PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT</span>.</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit” <em>(Eph. 2:22).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>To be a church people have to be born-again by God’s Spirit and indwelt by the Spirit of God.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>We look at the church page in the newspapers and there are so many churches. God’s Word doesn’t necessarily say that every group that calls itself a church is a church. The true church of Christ brings God’s Spirit into the building where it meets.</p>
<p>We are building together on the foundation of Christ, 1 Cor. 3:9. We are building together. We are not like bricks tossed to one side, charcoal fire burns better together.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<h4>I find it interesting we come together for God to inhabit us. <em>God does inhabit the praises of His people. </em>People can come together without the Holy Spirit and God will not be there in their lives. People can meet together in houses called churches and the Holy Spirit in our lives.</h4>
<p>God is omnipresent through the Holy Spirit. He can be in more than one place at a time. We are building on the foundation of Christ, Matt. 16:18. The Holy Spirit is the connecting link. The same Spirit that raised Jesus is the one who was in the early church, and who is in us. Acts 2:42; Matt. 28:20.</p>
<p>Each of the medieval cathedrals took more than a lifetime to construct. They were in a building program all the time. God is constructing his churches through us, and he is still building on them.</p>
<p><strong>III. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Church is a PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT IN A PLACE</span>.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord” <em>(Eph. 2:21).</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>The church meets at a place at a particular time on a regular basis. It is not invisible but a house made of real people who have been called out of the world. It is not an invisible body but a real one.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as <em>the</em> Baptist church. There is <em>a</em> Baptist church at a certain place. We are not a part of the Baptist church. We are one of many Baptist churches affiliated together for missions, and fellowship. When you say “Baptist Church,” I ask, which one are you talking about?</p>
<p>You can only be at one place at one time. Do you live in a specific address? By the term “universal” we are saying it is everywhere.</p>
<p>Emphasizing denominationalism over a local is the wrong move. I would rather have a church built on the Word than just a big church without any convictions (John 17:17).</p>
<p>It’s like the argument people use against baptism. Someone says baptism doesn’t save anyone so why make it an issue. It’s because I’d rather stand before God baptized the right way than the wrong way.</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>If everyone is the church as I heard this week, who then is the pastor? What type of government will we have? Where do you meet? When do you meet? Do we emphasize Calvinism or Arminianism?</p>
<p>I believe in doctrinal purity over just shutting our eyes and saying whatever you believe is alright. Many give the impression “Don’t confuse me with the Bible. I’ve already made up my mind.” I’m amazed so many are so adamant on salvation, security of the believer, the Bible, but are loose on the church.</p>
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<p><strong><em>There are three big reasons why I believe the church is local:</em></strong></p>
<p><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A historical reason</span></em>: Baptists have resisted the notion of a universal church encompassing nations, regions groups, etc. The refused to be forced into a state church they did not want to be a part of. Many lost their lives because being a part of the state church meant that they had to have their babies baptized. They would rather die for their faith at the hands of a state church than violate their consciences and go against God’s Word. You say it’s not that important. It is important because people have died for it.</p>
<p><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A biblical reason</span></em>: The term used in the Bible almost always refers to a local church. Some places it refers to the church as an institution but never as a universal invisible body.</p>
<p>These scriptures help us see the church as local: Acts 2:41, 1 Cor. 12:13. Eph. 2:21. Can you inhabit a spiritual invisible place.</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Eph. 3:21</strong>:</em> “Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.”</p>
<p><em><strong>Eph. 5:30</strong>:</em> “For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones” (Does Christ have an invisible body?).</p>
<p><em><strong>1 Pet. 2:5</strong>:</em> “Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.”</p>
<p><em><strong>I Cor. 5:3-4</strong>:</em> “For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,”</p>
<p><em><strong>2 Cor. 2:6</strong>:</em> “Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.”</p></blockquote>
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<p><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A commonsensical reason</span></em>: Do we have a house at a specific address? God has churches at specific places. Some say I don’t want to get that deep into it. It is a matter of doing the right thing, being a participating member of the local church. Would you rather have partial or full obedience to yourself as a parent?</p>
<p>J. M. Pendelton said,</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“The churches in those early times were entirely independent, none of them being subject to any foreign jurisdiction, but each governed by it’s own rulers and laws, for through the churches founded by the apostles had this particular difference shown to them, that they consulted in difficult cases yet they had no judicial authority over them no supremacy<strong>.” </strong></em></p></blockquote>
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<p><strong>IV. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Church is a PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH A PURPOSE.</span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” <em>(Eph. 2:20).</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>The two great purposes of the church are:</p>
<p>(1) <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Great Commandment</span></em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>“And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself” <em>(Luke 10:27).</em></p>
<p>We must endeavor to keep or maintain unity as the bond of peace. God says if you can’t love others you can’t love Me <em>(1 John 4:20-21).</em></p>
<p>“And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end” <em>(Heb 3:5-6).</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>We have building inspectors that look at houses or buildings. We have fire marshals. God is always checking us out to see how we are doing.</p>
<p>Just because we take a stand for morality does not mean we don’t want certain people in our church. We want them all to come but our textbook is the Bible, not people’s personal opinions. The church does not operate by focus groups but by God’s Word. That is the focus of this group.</p>
<p>(2) <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Great Commission</span></em>:<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span></p>
<p><strong><em> </em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” <em>(Matt 28:19-20).</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>You need to be in a local church because you need a place to practice the Great Commission. The Cooperative Program does just that. You don’t live everywhere; you live in a specific place. He doesn’t say that para-church groups can’t do some of the Great Commission. God’s design is that the churches do that.</p>
<p>The problem is that for the church to be effective it needs to be a verb instead of a noun. We are a verb when we take the gospel to people, baptizing, and teaching. This commission applies until the end of the world, because Christ is always with us. The last group of disciples died before the first century. However, He is with us if we evangelize, baptize and disciple people.</p>
<p>Baptism is an ordinance the church practices as an act of obedience, and it symbolizes the incorporation of the new believer into the body of Christ—the church. How can the church be the church if we fail to do the second thing Christ commanded us to do in the Great Commission?</p>
<p>There is strength in delegation. If you had 12 disciples go bad and even one stays true, you have not wasted your time. There are many things I don’t want to be affiliated with if I am in a universal, invisible church, but the Great Commission is accomplished through the local church.</p>
<p>Why is it important to believe in a local church free from government and ecclesiastical interference?  Felix Manz was drowned in Lake Geneva in 1525. Why, because he baptized believers only and refused to have the babies of his congregation baptized. The law said everyone was in the state reformed church instead of freely letting them chose.</p>
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<p>Will we function as the body of Christ in the world today? When we understand who we are and what we need to be doing, we should be Christ’s body whatever we do.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lemke</dc:creator>
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By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the </em><em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em><em> at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Introduction/Summary</span></em></strong></p>
<p>All denominations that broadly share the Reformation heritage share more beliefs in common (orthodox Nicean Christianity plus key Reformation beliefs) than beliefs on which we differ. Despite these many points of agreement, it is the points of agreement on which theological discussions tend to focus. In an earlier post entitled “<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/06/07/the-middle-way"><strong>The Middle Way</strong></a>,” I asserted that centrist Baptists are “the middle way” between Arminians and Calvinists/Presbyterians. As evidence for this claim, I listed twelve points of doctrinal disagreement between centrist Baptists and many Arminians. Now, in this series, I am pointing out nine points of difference between centrist Baptist beliefs and the Presbyterian/ Reformed tradition. These nine Baptist doctrinal distinctives I will discuss do <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> include the five point summary of Reformed soteriology (best known in the TULIP acronym&#8211;for a critique of five-point Calvinism from a centrist Baptist perspective see our book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whosoever-Will-Biblical-Theological-Five-Point-Calvinism/dp/0805464166"><strong><em>Whosoever Will</em></strong></a>). <em>In fact, most of the nine points that I will be addressing were explicitly held by the Particular Baptists in contradistinction from the Presbyterian or Reformed theology from which they separated themselves</em>. These, then, are distinctively <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baptist</span></em> beliefs. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/24/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyterians/"><strong>first Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was a cluster of interrelated beliefs &#8212; soul competency, priesthood of all believers, and religious liberty. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/25/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-2%e2%80%94the-age-or-state-of-accountability/"><strong>second Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed was the age (or state) of accountability; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/30/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-3%e2%80%94believers-baptism-or-the-gathered-church/"><strong>third Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was believer’s baptism (or “the gathered church;” and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/02/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-4%e2%80%94baptism-by-the-mode-of-immersion/"><strong>fourth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> was baptism by mode of immersion, the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/06/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-5%e2%80%94baptism-and-the-lord%e2%80%99s-supper-as-symbolic-ordinances-not-sacraments/"><strong>fifth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> (in contrast with Presbyterian Calvinism) was baptism and the Lord’s Supper as symbolic ordinances, not sacraments; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/13/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-6%e2%80%94congregational-church-polity-not-presbyterian-elder-rule/"><strong>sixth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed congregational church polity (in contrast to Presbyterian elder rule); and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/16/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-7local-church-autonomy-not-a-hierarchical-denominationalism/"><strong>seventh Baptist distinctive</strong></a>, examined the autonomy of the local church and how it is not a hierarchical denomination. For the eighth Baptist distinctive, I will describe the <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">two scriptural officers</span></em></strong> (Pastor/Bishop/Elder and Deacon) and how they are not three (Pastor/Bishop, Elder and Deacon).[1]<br />
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<p>Let it be said that this series is in no way intended to diminish the practice and beliefs of fellow believers in other denominations. It is intended to clear up some of the nondenominational/ecumenical babble that all Christians believe the same things. There are real differences in doctrine between Presbyterians and Baptists. Each of us has the right and responsibility before God to interpret the Bible to the best of our ability and practice what it says.</p>
<p>This series is designed (as was the earlier article regarding the differences between Arminian denominations and Baptist) to define what those doctrinal differences are.</p>
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<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Distinctive Baptist Belief #8:</span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Two Scriptural Officers, not Three</span></em></strong></p>
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<p>While the resurgence of Calvinism in the SBC has brought a reawakening of consideration of the role of elders in Baptist life, it is striking to see that the Calvinistic Particular Baptist confessions did not share this ecclesiology. Both the <em>Second London Confession </em>and the <em>Philadelphia Confession </em>identify two offices in a New Testament church. The first office is known variously as pastor, bishop, or elder, and the second office is of deacon. Clearly, pastors, bishops, and elders are seen as the same office in these Calvinistic Baptist confessions. In one of the rare places that the 1925 <em>Baptist Faith and Message </em>appears to reflect the language of the <em>Philadelphia Confession</em>, it identifies the two scriptural offices as “bishops, or elders, and deacons.” The subsequent 1963 and 2000 <em>Baptist Faith and Message </em>statements omit reference to elders altogether, referring to just two scriptural offices, “pastors and deacons.”[2]</p>
<p>The meaning of the word “elder” as a position in church leadership has varied widely in Baptist life. My first pastorate was in a Texas church that is now over 135 years old, and was blessed to have its church minutes going back to its earliest days when it was literally in Indian territory. The pastor/preachers then were circuit riding preachers who usually went by the title of “elders.” In the historical Baptist tradition, “elders” are primarily pastor/preachers (often bivocational), not ruling elders in the Presbyterian sense.</p>
<p>In the SBC now, the “elders” terminology is currently used only in a small minority of churches. In a 2007 study conducted by LifeWay research (referenced in earlier articles in this series), 405 senior pastors were asked the question, “Which of the following best describes the primary decision-making process at your church?” Among the pastors polled, 42 percent said their church was congregation-led, while 30 percent said their church was pastor-led. The other options and responses, in descending order of frequency include: Committee- or team-led (6 percent); deacon-led (4 percent); elder-led (4 percent); led by a board or council other than elders (3 percent); staff-led (2 percent); and trustee-led (0 percent). Seven percent responded &#8220;other.”[3] Even among those which were described as “pastor-led” or “elders-led,” of course, for the overwhelming majority (if not all) of these churches, the ultimate authority for major decisions is a vote of the congregation. Most or all of even those few churches with elders function according to congregational governance, not elder rule.[4] Therefore, when Baptists use the word “elder,” they are usually not using it in the same way that Presbyterians use it.</p>
<p>One unfortunate phenomenon in the SBC is preachers at conferences or seminary chapels who ridicule and stereotype deacons as being obstinate, stubborn, unspiritual, and stupid. It’s a cheap and easy shot to make fun of deacons, but it is tragic, because the office of deacon was not a human invention. The office of deacon was created by God to meet a genuine need within the church (Acts 6:1-8). The office of deacon is consistent with Scripture, with Baptist ecclesiology and doctrinal confessions, and with the historic practice of Baptist churches. In Scripture, we see that the office of deacon is one of two valid offices created in the New Testament church (1 Tim. 3:1-13).[5] I would caution persons against diminishing an office that God has created.</p>
<p>Some younger ministers, responding to “horror stories” about “demon deacons” have replaced the role of deacons with elders. Some young ministers who have banned deacons to create elder boards have discovered they empowered the elder board enough to oppose and destroy their ministry at the church – the same thing they were worried about from deacons![6] Actually, whether we call them lay staff members, elders, deacons, or committee chairmen, they all come from the same group of church leaders. Elders are deacons with more power.</p>
<p>Personally, I’ve never experienced a demonic deacon. Deacons aren’t perfect, of course. I have experienced very human deacons who had strengths and weaknesses, just as do we all. I have experienced deacons whose convictions or judgment differed on some issues from that of their pastor. I have seen some deacon fellowships become more like of a board of directors, losing the focus on servanthood that the office was originally created to be. In rare cases, I have seen deacons who so disagreed strongly with the pastor’s leadership (or they were called upon to voice the disagreement with the pastor or staff by a significant segment of the congregation), that they forced a confrontation that led to the forced termination of the pastor’s employment or a split in the church fellowship. Of course, I have also seen pastors make serious mistakes in judgment and express a nonChristian spirit as well. But overwhelmingly, I have found deacons to be devout and dedicated Christian men who want the very best for the church and for God’s kingdom.</p>
<p>One recently popular perspective in Baptist life is described as a “plurality of elders,” in which ordained or lay leaders perform functions identified in other churches as “church staff.” Mark Dever has been a leading exponent of this plurality of elders perspective.[7] However, this is often not the creation of a third office or the practice of elder rule, but identifying lay or ordained ministers as elders. Nor is it normally inconsistent with congregational governance. I see nothing in the plurality of elders position (utilizing multiple persons in pastoral staff roles) that is at variance with historic Baptist confessions or practice. Furthermore, because the autonomy of the local congregation is foundational for Baptist ecclesiology, individual congregations can organize their leadership churches as they feel led to do so.</p>
<p>The SBC is a fellowship of smaller churches. According to figures from church annual reports gathered by the Leavell Center for Evangelism and Church Health at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, about 60 percent of our churches (roughly 26,000 of them) have 100 or less in worship attendance each week. Another 18 percent of the churches (roughly 7,700 churches) have 200 or fewer in worship attendance. So, a total of about 33,000 churches, or 78 percent of all our SBC churches are smaller churches. Many of these smaller churches typically have monthly business meetings to vote on virtually every initiative and financial matter. So, in the 98.5 percent of the 40,000 Southern Baptist churches which average fewer than 1,000 in their weekly worship services, practicing democratic processes and congregational polity is very functional.</p>
<p>However, the larger the church, the less practical it is for congregations to vote on every little issue. As churches grow larger, many have moved to a quarterly, semi-annual, or annual business meeting (with called meetings for other major matters). It’s just too much for the entire congregation to vote about every detail. This is particularly true in megachurches, midmegachurches, and (somewhat overlapping) multisite churches. There are 347 “midmegachurches” in the SBC (those averaging between 1,000 and 2,000 in weekly worship attendance) and 177 megachurches (churches averaging over 2,000 in weekly worship attendance).[8] The reality in midmegachurches and megachurches (and even more so with multisite churches)[9] is that congregational rule becomes tenuous.  The predominant number of these churches entrust some smaller group the responsibility to deal with daily operational decisions and ministry initiatives. That small group may be the church staff, the deacons, elders, or some key committees. But again, the ultimate authority resides in the congregation as a whole, and the congregation still has the power (if they are unhappy with how things are going) to fire the pastor, fire staff members, dismiss the deacons, sell the property, redo the budget, or whatever they feel led to do.</p>
<p>Having surveyed the variety of legitimate expressions of the meaning of “elder” in Southern Baptist life, from a perspective of Baptist doctrinal confessions and ecclesiology, churches that have a third office apart from pastors and deacons or institute elder rule have departed from Baptist historical doctrinal confessions and ecclesiology in this practice. This is one of the key ecclesiological differences between Baptists and Presbyterians.</p>
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<p>[1] To preview the entire series, you can see the larger article from which these posts are drawn, plus responses from three theological perspectives, from a paper presentation for a conference sponsored by the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. You can see them at Steve Lemke, “<a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11">What Is a Baptist? Nine Marks that Separate Baptists from Presbyterians</a>,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em> 5, no. 2 (Fall 2008):10-39. It is posted in this blog format in <em>SBC Today</em> to facilitate discussion on these issues. The next scheduled article in this series is “<em>Baptist Distinctive #9: Decisional Conversion/Gospel Invitations (not Confirmation)</em>.”</p>
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<p>[2] <em>BF&amp;M </em>Art. 6. For a scriptural defense of pastor-teachers, elders, and pastors being the same office, see Steve Lemke, “The Elder in the Early Church,” <em>Biblical Illustrator </em>19 (Fall 1992): 59-62; Gerald Cowen, <em>Who Rules the Church? Examining Congregational Leadership and Church Government</em>, with foreword by Jerry Vines and appendices by Emir E. Caner and Stephen Prescott (Nashville: Broadman and Holman, 2003); and Gerald Cowan, “<a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/2005_spring/03%20Cowan%20Revised.pdf">An Elder and His Ministry: From a Baptist Perspective</a>,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry </em>3, no. 1 (Spring 2005):56-73.</p>
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<p>[3] “<a href="http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue3079.html">LifeWay Christian Resources Follow-up Poll Examines Hot Topics</a>,” <em>The Christian Telegraph</em>, September 17, 2008.</p>
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<p>[4] For example, the church at which the current President of the SBC serves as Pastor &#8212; Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, Georgia &#8212; designates elders to make many decisions for the church, but the congregation still has the final authority – “At Johnson Ferry, we have an elder form of government that is also congregational on certain major decisions.” See Johnson Ferry Baptist Church, “The Autonomy of the Local Church,” in “<a href="https://www.johnsonferry.org/AboutUs/WhatWeBelieve/WhatMakesaChristianaBaptist.aspx">What Makes a Christian a Baptist</a>?” on the church website.</p>
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<p>[5] Steve Lemke, “The Benefit of Having Deacons,” (later retitled “<a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/resources/Essays%20and%20White%20Papers/2009%20Papers/On_Behalf_of_Deacons.pdf">On Behalf of Deacons</a>” and posted on the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry website), in the “Theological Thought” column of the [Louisiana] <em>Baptist Message</em>, vol. 124, no. 11 (28 May 2009), 14.</p>
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<p>[6] For but one recent example, see William Thornton, <strong>“</strong><a href="http://sbcvoices.com/you-cant-make-this-stuff-up-by-william-thornton/"><strong>You Can’t Make This Stuff Up</strong></a>,”</p>
<p>(August 20, 2011, at the SBC Voices blog), with an account of a young Calvinist church planter who insists on elder rule for church governance – until the elders fired the young Calvinist pastor, who suddenly became a believer in congregational governance to dismiss the elders.</p>
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<p>[7] Mark Dever, “<a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/2005_spring/01%20Dever%20Revised.pdf">Baptist Polity and Elders</a>,” in the <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and</em></p>
<p><em>Ministry</em> Vol. 3 No. 1 (Spring 2005): 5-37.</p>
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<p>[8] Thom Rainer, “<strong><a href="http://www.thomrainer.com/2011/08/megachurches-in-the-southern-baptist-convention.php">Megachurches in the Southern Baptist Convention</a></strong>,” (August 25, 2011); and “<strong><a href="http://www.thomrainer.com/2011/09/midmegachurches-in-the-southern-baptist-convention.php">Midmegachurches in the Southern Baptist Convention</a></strong>,” (September 5, 2011), on the Thom S. Rainer blog, lists the churches in either category last year.</p>
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<p>[9] For a discussion of the ecclesiology of multisite churches, see Micah Fries, <strong>“</strong><a href="http://www.baptisttwentyone.com/?p=5661"><strong>Multi-site Dialogue (Part 1): Multisite Mistake?</strong></a>, (July 28, 2011), at the Baptist 21 blog (raising concerns about the viability of multisite model); and Jimmy Scroggins, “<a href="http://www.baptisttwentyone.com/?p=5729"><strong>Multi-site Dialogue (Part 2): Response to Micah Fries</strong></a><strong>,”</strong> (August 22, 2011), at the Baptist 21 blog, with a defense of the multisite church concept.</p>
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By Dr. Lemke, Provost, Professor of Philosophy and Ethics, occupying the McFarland Chair of Theology, Director of the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry, and Editor of the </em><em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em><em> at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Introduction/Summary</span></em></strong></p>
<p>All denominations that broadly share the Reformation heritage share more beliefs in common (orthodox Nicean Christianity plus key Reformation beliefs) than beliefs on which we differ. Despite these many points of agreement, it is the points of agreement on which theological discussions tend to focus. In an earlier post entitled “<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/06/07/the-middle-way"><strong>The Middle Way</strong></a>,” I asserted that centrist Baptists are “the middle way” between Arminians and Calvinists/Presbyterians. As evidence for this claim, I listed twelve points of doctrinal disagreement between centrist Baptists and many Arminians. Now, in this series, I am pointing out nine points of difference between centrist Baptist beliefs and the Presbyterian/ Reformed tradition. These nine Baptist doctrinal distinctives I will discuss do <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> include the five point summary of Reformed soteriology (best known in the TULIP acronym&#8211;for a critique of five-point Calvinism from a centrist Baptist perspective see our book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whosoever-Will-Biblical-Theological-Five-Point-Calvinism/dp/0805464166"><strong><em>Whosoever Will</em></strong></a>). <em>In fact, most of the nine points that I will be addressing were explicitly held by the Particular Baptists in contradistinction from the Presbyterian or Reformed theology from which they separated themselves</em>. These, then, are distinctively <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baptist</span></em> beliefs.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/24/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyterians/"><strong>first Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was a cluster of interrelated beliefs &#8212; soul competency, priesthood of all believers, and religious liberty. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/25/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-2%e2%80%94the-age-or-state-of-accountability/">s<strong>econd Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed was the age (or state) of accountability; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/30/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-3%e2%80%94believers-baptism-or-the-gathered-church/"><strong>third Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was believer’s baptism (or “the gathered church;” and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/02/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-4%e2%80%94baptism-by-the-mode-of-immersion/"><strong>fourth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> was baptism by mode of immersion, the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/06/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-5%e2%80%94baptism-and-the-lord%e2%80%99s-supper-as-symbolic-ordinances-not-sacraments/"><strong>fifth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> (in contrast with Presbyterian Calvinism) was baptism and the Lord’s Supper as symbolic ordinances, not sacraments; and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/13/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-6%e2%80%94congregational-church-polity-not-presbyterian-elder-rule/"><strong>sixth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed congregational church polity (in contrast to Presbyterian elder rule). With the seventh distinctive, I examine <em>the autonomy of the local church,</em> as opposed to a hierarchical denominationalism.[1]<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Distinctive Baptist Belief #7:</span></em></strong><br />
<strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Local Church Autonomy, Not Hierarchical Denominationalism)</span></em></strong></p>
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<p>The <em>BF&amp;M </em>describes the church as “an <em>autonomous </em>local congregation of baptized believers.”[2] Each Southern Baptist church is independent and it would not be overstating the case to say, <em>radically</em> autonomous. Local churches voluntarily cooperate with Baptist associations, state conventions, the national SBC, and other entities &#8212; and it is the voluntary association and cooperation of Southern Baptists that have allowed them to accomplish great things in education, benevolent efforts, and world missions that atomistic independent churches simply cannot accomplish alone. However, in terms of authority, the organizational flowchart of the SBC is a pyramid in which ultimate authority and freedom to act reside in the local churches at the base, not an inverted pyramid with all the power at the top. No denominational official, whether associational, state, or national, can impose anything on an autonomous Southern Baptist church, even when that church is practicing things that are outside of the <em>BF&amp;M</em>. The associations and conventions may refuse to seat messengers from these churches at annual meetings, or even withdraw fellowship from them, but no Baptist entity can force a local church to change any policy or practice.</p>
<p>Even the various associations and conventions draw all of their guidance and authority from “messengers” (similar to delegates) appointed by and representative of local Baptist churches. But the associations and conventions cannot in turn impose regulations on the local churches. Properly speaking, associations, state conventions, and the SBC itself only truly “exist” the two or three days in which the church-elected messengers are convened in annual session. Resolutions approved by messengers of SBC annual meetings, though often hotly debated and highlighted in press reports, have literally no force or authority over local churches. They are simply the expression of opinion of that group of messengers at that time.</p>
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<p>Some Baptist churches (especially those in the “Landmarker” tradition) take local church autonomy to an even higher level in relation to the two ordinances. The American Baptist Association not only denies “alien immersion” and practices “closed communion,” but is also opposed to any mission board or denominational entity outside the local church. Southern Baptists are not immune to these beliefs; in fact, the Arkansas Baptist Convention (SBC) articles of incorporation includes the proviso that “The Baptist Faith and Message shall not be interpreted as to permit open communion and/or alien immersion” (though these requirements are not universally practiced by all SBC churches in the state).[3]</p>
<p>In relation to baptism, a LifeWay study in 2007 revealed that 16 percent of the Southern Baptist pastors polled would require rebaptism even of persons who had been immersed after conversion in another Southern Baptist church &#8212; again, underscoring the autonomy of each local church. Since most Baptists view scriptural baptism as a prerequisite for membership in a local church, 74 percent of the pastors would require rebaptism of a prospective new member who had been immersed after conversion in another church that does not believe in eternal security, 87 percent would require rebaptism of a prospective member who was immersed after conversion in a church that believes baptism is required for salvation, 97 percent would require rebaptism for a prospective new member who had been baptized by sprinkling or pouring after conversion, and 99 percent would require rebaptism if the prospective new member had been baptized as an infant by sprinkling, pouring or immersion.[4]</p>
<p>Likewise, in relation to the Lord’s Supper, many churches impacted by the Landmarker tradition practice “closed communion,” in which only members of that local church are invited to participate in the Supper. The majority of Southern Baptist churches practice “close communion,” that is, that only members of Southern Baptist churches (or those with like faith and practice) are invited to participate. A few Baptist churches practice “open communion,” allowing any believer to participate. The point of this survey is not to debate the issues of alien immersion or closed communion, but to underscore the strength of belief in the autonomy of the local church in the Baptist tradition.</p>
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<p>In contrast, beyond the local church, Presbyterian churches are guided and their property owned by presbyteries, synods, or councils.[5] Although these meetings have representatives from local churches, the broader entities can impose rules and regulations on the local churches, and their properties seized. That could never happen in Baptist life. One expression of local church autonomy is its ability under God’s leadership to choose its own leadership. As Dunaway noted, Baptists do not have a requirement for a seminary-educated ministry.[6] This is only one example of many requirements that could only be imposed by a “top-down” denominational structure, not “bottom-up” structure like that of Baptists. Local church autonomy is a keynote of Southern Baptist life.</p>
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<p>[1] To preview the entire series, you can see the larger article from which these posts are drawn, plus responses from three theological perspectives, from a paper presentation for a conference sponsored by the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. You can see them at Steve Lemke, “<a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11">What Is a Baptist? Nine Marks that Separate Baptists from Presbyterians</a>,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em> 5, no. 2 (Fall 2008):10-39. It is posted in this blog format in <em>SBC Today</em> to facilitate discussion on these issues. The next scheduled article in this series is “<em>Baptist Distinctive #8: Two Scriptural Officers, Not Three</em>.”</p>
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<p>[2] <em>BF&amp;M</em>, Art. 6.</p>
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<p>[3] The majority of the Arkansas convention voted in November 2007 to remove this stipulation requiring “close communion” and disallowing “alien immersion,” but it did not receive the two-thirds vote necessary to change it. See Charlie Warren, “<a href="http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=26800">Arkansas Baptists Reject Amendment</a>,” Baptist Press, November 8, 2008. For an argument for retaining the “close communion” language, see Jimmy Millikin, “<a href="http://allthingsbaptist.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/arkansas-baptist-convention">Why We Should Sustain Article III, Section 1 of the Articles of Incorporation</a>,” on the All Things Baptist blog, November 5, 2007.</p>
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<p>[4] “<a href="http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue3079.html">LifeWay Christian Resources Follow-up Poll Examines Hot Topics</a>,” <em>The Christian Telegraph</em>, September 17, 2008.</p>
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<p>[5] The role of synods and councils in Presbyterian life is delineated in the <em>Westminster Confession</em>, Art. 31, “Of Synods and Councils.” This article was deleted in the <em>Second London </em>and <em>Philadelphia </em>confessions.</p>
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<p>[6] Dunaway, “Why Baptist and Not Presbyterian,” in J. M. Frost, ed., <em>Baptist Why and Why Not </em>(Nashville: Sunday School Board, 1900), 135-136.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lemke</dc:creator>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Introduction/Summary</span></em></strong></p>
<p>All denominations that broadly share the Reformation heritage share more beliefs in common (orthodox Nicean Christianity plus key Reformation beliefs) than beliefs on which we differ. Despite these many points of agreement, it is the points of agreement on which theological discussions tend to focus. In an earlier post entitled “<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/06/07/the-middle-way"><strong>The Middle Way</strong></a>,” I asserted that centrist Baptists are “the middle way” between Arminians and Calvinists/Presbyterians. As evidence for this claim, I listed twelve points of doctrinal disagreement between centrist Baptists and many Arminians. Now, in this series, I am pointing out nine points of difference between centrist Baptist beliefs and the Presbyterian/ Reformed tradition. These nine Baptist doctrinal distinctives I will discuss do <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> include the five point summary of Reformed soteriology (best known in the TULIP acronym&#8211;for a critique of five-point Calvinism from a centrist Baptist perspective see our book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whosoever-Will-Biblical-Theological-Five-Point-Calvinism/dp/0805464166"><strong><em>Whosoever Will</em></strong></a>). <em>In fact, most of the nine points that I will be addressing were explicitly held by the Particular Baptists in contradistinction from the Presbyterian or Reformed theology from which they separated themselves</em>. These, then, are distinctively <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baptist</span></em> beliefs. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/24/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyterians/"><strong>first Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was a cluster of interrelated beliefs &#8212; soul competency, priesthood of all believers, and religious liberty. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/25/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-2%e2%80%94the-age-or-state-of-accountability/"><strong>second Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed was the age (or state) of accountability; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/30/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-3%e2%80%94believers-baptism-or-the-gathered-church/"><strong>third Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was believer’s baptism (or “the gathered church;” and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/02/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-4%e2%80%94baptism-by-the-mode-of-immersion/"><strong>fourth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> was baptism by mode of immersion, and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/06/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-5%e2%80%94baptism-and-the-lord%e2%80%99s-supper-as-symbolic-ordinances-not-sacraments/"><strong>fifth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> (in contrast with Presbyterian Calvinism) was baptism and the Lord’s Supper as symbolic ordinances, not sacraments. The sixth distinctive that I now address is congregational church polity.[1]<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Distinctive Baptist Belief #6:</span></em></strong><br />
<strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Congregational Church Polity, Not Presbyterian Elder Rule</span></em></strong></p>
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<p>The early Baptist confessions consistently describe church governance as congregational. It is to local churches that Jesus has given “all power and authority” (Luke 9:1, cf. Matt. 18:18, 28:18), “which is in any way needful for their carrying on that order in worship and discipline.”[2] Bishops/elders should be chosen by “the church itself.”[3] All church members are subject to “the censures and government” of the church “according to the rule of Christ.”[4] Church members taking offense at the actions of other members should not act on their own, but should “wait upon Christ, in the further proceeding of the church.”[5] At every point of authority, then, whether in choosing congregational leaders, practicing church discipline, or resolving problems, it was the church as a whole (not some smaller appointed group) which was authorized to decide the issue according to the mind of Christ. Likewise, the 1963 and 2000 <em>Baptist Faith and Message </em>statements refer to the local church as “autonomous” but operating “under the Lordship of Jesus Christ” through “democratic processes.”[6]</p>
<p>The Baptist belief in congregational church governance has biblical grounding in decisions of local churches such as the churches in Jerusalem and Antioch appointing and commissioning their leaders (Acts 6:3-6, 13:1-3), the responsibility of performing church discipline (Matt. 18:15-17, 1 Cor. 5:1-2, 2 Cor. 2:4-9), and adjudicating doctrinal issues (Acts 15:1-29). Congregational governance is also the only viable church polity consistent and coherent with an interlocking nexus of other key biblically based Baptist beliefs: (a) local church autonomy, (b) soul competency, (c) the priesthood of all believers, and (d) the age of accountability.</p>
<p>Some (even some Baptists) mistake the democratic processes of congregational governance to indicate that just the church dictates what should be done, but this would be a misunderstanding of the doctrine. Each member is called upon not to vote his or her own opinion, but to seek the mind of Christ who is the true Head of the church. All members of a Baptist church are baptized believers. There are no infant “believers,” but only those beyond the age of accountability who have made a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. The Holy Spirit is present in all believers to guide them and instruct them, and thus each believer has Spirit-aided soul competency. Because each believer is a priest before God, there are no intermediaries needed to perform this task. No bishop, synod, or popish hierarchy can impose its will on the autonomous local church. Neither the Southern Baptist Convention, nor its President, nor any other group can impose its will on a local church. A church with aberrant beliefs might be disfellowshiped by other Baptist church associations or conventions, but the local church can still practice its beliefs unhindered as it feels led. Each believer is competent before God to seek God’s will as led by the Holy Spirit under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. So, though democratic processes are utilized to achieve the result, it is not a democracy but a theocracy. Votes taken in church business meetings are not to determine the will of the people, but the will of God.</p>
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<p>[1] To preview the entire series, you can see the larger article from which these posts are drawn, plus responses from three theological perspectives, from a paper presentation for a conference sponsored by the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. You can see them at Steve Lemke, “What Is a Baptist? Nine Marks that Separate Baptists from Presbyterians,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em> 5, no. 2 (Fall 2008):10-39, available online at <a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11">http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11</a>. It is posted in this blog format in <em>SBC Today</em> to facilitate discussion on these issues. The next scheduled article in this series is “<em>Baptist Distinctive #7: Local Church Autonomy</em>.”</p>
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<p>[2] <em>Second London Confession</em>, Art. 26, par. 7; <em>Philadelphia Confession</em>, Art. 27, par. 7.</p>
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<p>[3] <em>Second London Confession</em>, Art. 26, par. 9; <em>Philadelphia Confession</em>, Art. 27, par. 9.</p>
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<p>[4] <em>Second London Confession</em>, Art. 26, par. 12; <em>Philadelphia Confession</em>, Art. 27, par. 12.</p>
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<p>[5] <em>Second London Confession</em>, Art. 26, par. 13; <em>Philadelphia Confession</em>, Art. 27, par. 13.</p>
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<p>[6] <em>BF&amp;M</em>, Art. 6. For a biblical defense of congregational church governance, see the perspective of James Leo Garrett in <em>Perspectives on Church Government: Five Views of Church Polity</em>, with Daniel Akin, James Leo Garrett, Jr., Robert Reymond, James R. White, and Paul F. M. Zaul, ed. by Chad Brand and Stan Norman (Nashville: Broadman and Holman, 2004); James Leo Garrett, Jr., “An Affirmation of Congregational Polity,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry </em>3, no. 1 (Spring 2005):38-55; and Paige Patterson’s perspective in <em>Who Runs the Church? Four Views of Church Government</em>, with Peter Toon, L. Roy Taylor, Paige Patterson, and Samuel L. Waldron, ed. by Steven Cowan (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2004).</p>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lemke</dc:creator>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Introduction</span></em></strong></p>
<p>All denominations that broadly share the Reformation heritage share more beliefs in common (orthodox Nicean Christianity plus key Reformation beliefs) than beliefs on which we differ. Despite these many points of agreement, it is the points of agreement on which theological discussions tend to focus. In an earlier post entitled “<a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/06/07/the-middle-way"><strong>The Middle Way</strong></a>,” I asserted that centrist Baptists are “the middle way” between Arminians, on the one hand, and Calvinists/Presbyterians, on the other. As evidence for this claim, I listed twelve points of doctrinal disagreement between centrist Baptists and many Arminians. Now, in this series, I am pointing out nine points of difference between centrist Baptist beliefs and the Presbyterian/ Reformed tradition.</p>
<p>These nine Baptist doctrinal distinctives I will discuss do <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> include the five point summary of Reformed soteriology (best known in the TULIP acronym&#8211;for a critique of five-point Calvinism from a centrist Baptist perspective see our book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Whosoever-Will-Biblical-Theological-Five-Point-Calvinism/dp/0805464166"><strong><em>Whosoever Will</em></strong></a>). <em>In fact, most of the nine points that I will be addressing were explicitly held by the Particular Baptists in contradistinction from the Presbyterian or Reformed theology from which they separated themselves</em>. These, then, are distinctively <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baptist</span></em> beliefs. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/24/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyterians/"><strong>first Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was a cluster of interrelated beliefs &#8212; soul competency, priesthood of all believers, and religious liberty. The <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/25/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-2%e2%80%94the-age-or-state-of-accountability/">s<strong>econd Baptist distinctive</strong></a> addressed was the age (or state) of accountability; the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/08/30/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-3%e2%80%94believers-baptism-or-the-gathered-church/"><strong>third Baptist distinctive</strong></a> I addressed was believer’s baptism (or “the gathered church;” and the <a href="http://sbctoday.com/2011/09/02/distinctive-baptist-beliefsnine-marks-that-separate-baptists-from-presbyteriansdistinctive-baptist-belief-4%e2%80%94baptism-by-the-mode-of-immersion/"><strong>fourth Baptist distinctive</strong></a> was baptism by mode of immersion. The fifth Baptist distinctive (in contrast with Presbyterian Calvinism) is baptism and the Lord’s Supper as symbolic ordinances, not sacraments.[1]<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Distinctive Baptist Belief #5:</span></em></strong><br />
<strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baptism and the Lord’s Supper as Symbolic Ordinances, Not Sacraments</span></em></strong></p>
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<p>The Magisterial Reformers rejected the Catholic notion of transubstantiation (that the blood and body of Jesus is literally and physically present in the bread and wine), but they differed in the alternative view they advocated. Luther affirmed “consubstantiation,” in which the substance of Jesus coexists with the elements of the Supper, like a hot iron and the fire are united and yet remaining unchanged as separate things). The meaning of the Supper (Mass, communion, Eucharist, or the Lord’s Supper) was the sole point that Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli could not agree upon in their consultation at Marburg in 1529 – Luther advocating the real physical presence of Christ in the Supper and Zwingli affirming just the Lord’s spiritual presence in the Supper. Calvin’s perspective on the Supper changed over his various versions of the <em>Institutes,</em> and some theologians consider him to be inconsistent in his use of the word “substance” (<em>substantia</em>). However, Calvin is usually considered to be in a mediating position between Luther and Zwingli, arguing for the Lord’s “spiritual presence” without being physically present in the elements of the Supper.[2]</p>
<p>The Radical Reformers, however, felt that all of these magisterial reformers had retained too much of Roman Catholicism in their belief and practice, rather than deriving their teachings directly from the New Testament. In the Second Zurich Disputation (also known as the October Disputation), the issues of infant baptism, retaining religious icons, and the Mass were discussed. In each of these, the Anabaptists wanted to practice only that which was commanded in the New Testament, and thus eliminate or replace each of these practices, while Zwingli was more conscious of public outcry about changing long-held traditions too quickly. Zwingli agreed with the Anabaptists that “this is My body” (Mark 14:22) was metaphorical rather than literal, and that the Supper is best viewed as a “memorial supper.”[3] Although Zwingli was closest of all the magisterial Reformers to the Anabaptists in his perspective on the Supper, he still retained a hint of the “spiritual presence” view advocated by Calvin, and he wanted to move slowly in making changes because of political expediency. In the Disputation, he conceded that Conrad Grebel was right in his litany of abuses of the Mass, but asserted that “these things cannot be abolished all at once.”[4] Zwingli deferred to the town council to determine any instructions about the degree or timetable for abolishing the Mass: “My lords will decide whatever regulations are to be adopted in the future in regard to the Mass.” This led the Anabaptist leader Simon Stumpf to exclaim in frustration, “Master Ulrich, you do not have the right to place the decision on this matter in the hands of my lords, for the decision has already been made: the Spirit of God decides.”[5]</p>
<p>The early Baptists saw no evidence in the New Testament that baptism and the Lord’s Supper were sacerdotal or sacramental in character. The Anabaptists therefore strongly insisted that baptism and the Lord’s Supper were ordinances (we do them in obedience to the command or ordaining of Christ), not sacraments. The Anabaptists also insisted that the Lord’s Supper was symbolic, not the “spiritual” presence of Christ or “consubstantiation,” the real physical presence of Christ with the celebration of the Supper. Because of the crucial nature of these ordinances commanded by our Lord, the appropriate practice of them is not a peripheral question.</p>
<p>While the <em>Second London </em>and <em>Philadelphia </em>confessions copy word for word much of the <em>Westminster Confession </em>regarding baptism and the Lord’s Supper, there is one very obvious change in wording: the Presbyterian confession consistently refers to baptism and the Lord’s Supper as “sacraments,” while the Baptist confessions describe them as “ordinances” appointed by Christ. Sacraments are, according to the <em>Westminster Confession</em>, “holy seals and signs of the covenant of grace,” and “in every sacrament there is a spiritual relation, or sacramental union, between the sign and the thing signified; whence it comes to pass that the effects of the one are attributed to the other.”[6] The Baptist confessions omit this sacramental language altogether, substituting statements that these ordinances were “appointed,” “ordained,” or “instituted” by Jesus Christ.[7] The ordinances are thus seen by Baptists as symbolic rather than sacramental in character.</p>
<p>Perhaps some might ask the “so what?” question about this doctrinal distinctive. What difference does it make between holding either of these views of baptism and the Lord’s Supper? From the Baptist perspective, the answer is that while the ordinances are profoundly significant events, they are not salvific in any sense.[8] The ordinances are outward symbols of what is going on spiritually inside the person and reminders of Jesus’ sacrifice for us. The ordinances are not sacraments &#8212; that is, “means of grace.” God’s grace comes directly to humans through the Son and the Spirit, not indirectly through the intermediary means of the bread and the wine. And that is a big difference in doctrine, a difference that really matters.</p>
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<p>[1] To preview the entire series, you can see the larger article from which these posts are drawn, plus responses from three theological perspectives, from a paper presentation for a conference sponsored by the Baptist Center for Theology and Ministry at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. You can see them at Steve Lemke, “What Is a Baptist? Nine Marks that Separate Baptists from Presbyterians,” <em>Journal for Baptist Theology and Ministry</em> 5, no. 2 (Fall 2008):10-39, available online at <a href="http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11">http://www.baptistcenter.com/Documents/Journals/JBTM%205-2_Baptists_in_Dialogue_Fall_08.pdf#page=11</a>. It is posted in this blog format in <em>SBC Today</em> to facilitate discussion on these issues. The next scheduled article in this series is “<em>Baptist Distinctive #6: Congregational Church Polity</em>.”</p>
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<p>[2] James Leo Garrett, <em>Systematic Theology: Biblical, Historical, and Evangelical</em>, 2 vols. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1995), 2: 608-610.</p>
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<p>[3] Garrett, 2: 610.</p>
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<p>[4] “The Second Zurich Disputation,” in <em>The European Reformations Sourcebook, </em>ed. Carter Lindbert (Malden, MA: Blackwell, 2000), 127.</p>
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<p>[5] Cited in William R. Estep, <em>The Anabaptist Story: An Introduction to Sixteenth-Century Anabaptism</em>, rev. 3d ed. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1996), 16-17.</p>
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<p>[6] The comparison is between the <em>Westminster Confession</em>, Art. 27; with <em>Second London Confession</em>, Art. 28, par. 1; and <em>Philadelphia Confession</em>, Art. 29, par. 1.</p>
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<p>[7] <em>BF&amp;M</em>, Art. 7.</p>
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<p>[8] For more discussion of this issue, see J. B. Moody, “Why Baptism as Symbol and Not a Saving Ordinance,” in J. M. Frost, ed., <em>Baptist Why and Why Not </em>(Nashville: Sunday School Board, 1900), 181-192.</p>
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