BINO’s, MINO’s and Moore

September 24, 2015

Dr. Rick Patrick | Senior Pastor
First Baptist Church, Sylacauga, AL

Here are five observations regarding current Southern Baptist events. We have been pulling on a loose thread for quite some time. Now, it is finally unraveling.

1.  Anti-Missions Support
The Voluntary Retirement Incentive targeting existing missionaries comes with a certain price tag. We are paying trained missionaries to incentivize their premature return from the field. This does not increase missions, but decreases it. When you think about it, we are now paying both for missions and against missions. If the hiring freeze option had been chosen, no money would have been spent to reduce missionary work. Yes, we would not be adding missionaries, but at least we would not be paying to subtract them. We would not be breaking our pledge to hold the rope for existing missionaries. Not one dime would subsidize reduced missions.

2. Godfather Offers
If they do not accept the Voluntary Retirement Incentive being offered in this first phase, our missionaries have been told the options available to them in the future will be less generous. Some observers have referenced The Godfather line about “making an offer one cannot refuse.” While technically this offer can be resisted, any claim that it is entirely voluntary fails to consider the intrinsic coercion of the deal’s ticking clock. “You are free to turn this down,” says the supervisor, “but the long-term financial strength of your retirement program will suffer since this is the best deal you are ever going to get.” Can we agree that this offer is only as optional as one’s desire to provide one’s family with the optimal level of financial security?

3. BINO Amnesty
The term Baptist In Name Only (BINO) applies to pastors like James MacDonald, who until recently considered the form of church government affirmed by Southern Baptists to be Satanic. It also applies to Charismatics like C. J. Mahaney, whose Pastors College partnership with Southern Seminary was dissolved in 2014 amidst a scandal. Now Mahaney’s BINO students, who are truly Calvinist Charismatics, may attend Southern Seminary and receive the very same Cooperative Program tuition discounts received by real Southern Baptist students from real Southern Baptist Churches who have supported the Cooperative Program for decades. To put it simply, Charismatic Calvinists are holding up the Cooperative Program train. They are crossing the SBC border illegally. We have no fence to keep them out.

4. MINO Amateurism
The term Missionaries In Name Only (MINO) applies to untrained, inexperienced students, professionals and retirees who will soon be commissioned to go overseas while being asked to raise their own support. This “funnel blowing” approach is really nothing new. It simply follows the very societal form of missions funding Southern Baptists rejected a century ago in favor of the cooperative approach. Some refer to this new model as the amateurism of missions in the SBC. With this approach, we may eventually be able to show a greater number of people overseas, but many will be less trained and more preoccupied with other pursuits such as school, work and personal fundraising. As we move in this direction, we lose the great distinctive of Southern Baptist missions, becoming just like everyone else. If the IMB becomes just another mission society, and no longer exists as the unique conduit of cooperative missions funding, there is little reason for Southern Baptists to prefer it to any other mission society. We will forfeit our greatest contribution to missions, inviting Southern Baptists to select from all the societies in the cafeteria. Many of us will select an entrée other than the Calvinist Charismatic Casserole.

5. Moore Partisan
Recently Russell Moore wrote a scathing attack of Republican front-runner Donald Trump. (Full disclosure: just like all of the other candidates, Donald Trump is a sinner.) However, Moore overlooked the sins of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton—being less than forthcoming regarding Benghazi, supporting Planned Parenthood and favoring gay marriage. Current polls show the leading Republican candidate is Donald Trump—a man that Moore, speaking on behalf of Southern Baptists, officially despises even more than Megyn Kelly does. Moore has been silent, however, in the face of news stories like the murder of the broadcasters in Roanoke, Virginia, and the plight of Kentucky’s Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis. Moore speaks when I would be silent and remains silent when I would speak. Most of the time, I do not find him representing my views as a Southern Baptist in the public square. Rather, he lectures me on what he thinks my views ought to be.

Conclusion
I love Southern Baptists and I always will. But increasingly, I don’t even know who these people are who are wearing our label. Some of our missionaries are using verses from the Koran in an attempt to lead people to Christ, identifying as Muslims on a technicality when they are Christians. This deception is wrong.

I don’t want to support that. I also don’t want to pay for anti-missions, Godfather offers, the tuition of BINO’s, the amateurism of MINO’s or the annoying partisan posturing of a man who claims to speak for Southern Baptists but is steering us so far leftward that he clearly does not speak for me. I will never leave the Southern Baptist Convention. But increasingly, it is leaving me. If I believe in the direction of the SBC less and less, then how can I be expected to give to it more and more?

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Anonymous M

Brother Rick,

Amen to your post! Those of us out here who are not BINOs appreciate you standing on principles. I do not know one person out here, even among those who previously have been supportive of David Platt, who think the recent decision was wise. Most of us see things the way you do, so please do not forget us at LMCO time. We are working hard and we want all to know that the IMB is not about DP. It is about the Gospel for every nation and we celebrate the long history of cooperation that has made it possible for us to follow our calling with optimal training, support and a clear doctrinal statement of the BFM 2000. God bless you brother. Let’s hope and pray for light at the end of this tunnel.

Brad jones

Amen and amen. Thank you for seeing and communicating the truth.

Donald Holmes

I think the BINO / MINO labels will be seen as divisive, but I guess the divide already exists. Thanks for summarizing these issues that are well worth voicing.

    Scott Shaver

    Donald:

    With all due respect, at this point, who cares if labels and expressions are “divisive”?

    The established SBC, in its historically recent “resurrgent,and reformed” manifestation, has considered purging and dividing it’s primary role for 3 decades. “Divisiveness” has, from the beginning, existed as the red herring argument against sound Christian logic.

    The very idea of concern over “divisiveness” at this late stage of demise reveals just how far behind the curve of reality some of us choose to remain.

      Donald

      Scott,
      I mind unnecessary negative terms (that really don’t fit) being used. It comes off as mocking and will turn-off the very people with whom we want to raise awareness.

        Scott Shaver

        Again, with all DUE respect Donald, you’re using the terms “mocking” etc and your subsequent concern over “turn-offs” is juvenile in my opinion. Grow up.

        J. D. Grey was once approached by a fawning student at NOBTS who said “Dr. Grey, you’re an outstanding preacher but I fear your cigars will hurt your testimony”.
        Grey said ” Grow up Son.”. Kept chewing his Churchill.

        Moral of story: Don’t care whether u find it crass, out of taste, insensitive etc and etc,

        Lydia

        “I mind unnecessary negative terms (that really don’t fit) being used. It comes off as mocking and will turn-off the very people with whom we want to raise awareness.”

        In search of unimpeachable words and an acceptable ‘tone’? That is exactly why the SBC finds itself in this mess. This worked well in the broader culture. We have disagreement as “hate speech” and so on. One of the things movements seeking power/control do is to define the rules of communication. He who defines, wins.

Robert Hutchinson

I resonate with what you’ve written, Brother Rick, especially the idea of being Baptist In Name Only. CJ’s church, Sovereign Grace of Louisville, makes it crystal clear in their membership material that they are not congregational, “While we are not congregational, we do not believe that the authority a local eldership exercises over its congregation is absolute, without further appeal or recourse.” Of course, “further appeal or recourse” is to the ELDERS of a different church or churches. http://s3.amazonaws.com/churchplantmedia-cms/sovereign_grace_church_louisville_ky/membership-packet-2015.pdf

Yet, earlier this month, Brother Frank Page made it crystal clear that congregational governance is one factor that determines if a church is a Baptist church:

“We believe all followers of Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, gifted by God for service, called to offer to God the sacrifices of praise, and empowered to pray to God through no mediator except Christ Jesus. This core belief underlies our conviction that each member of the Body has an equal voice in discerning God’s will for the gathered local church. How congregational governance works itself out differs from church to church; some are pastor-led, some elder-led, some deacon-led, some committee-led, and, in some, every decision is made by the entire congregation.” http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2015/september/exploring-evangelicalism-southern-baptist-convention.html

So, which is it?

Is some form congregational governance a necessary distinctive to be a Baptist church and thus affiliate with the Southern BAPTIST Convention, or can churches with some Baptist distinctiveness but who practice a form of presbyterian or episcopal governance also affiliate?

Obviously, we already know the answer to that question.

If we continue down this path perhaps a more accurate name for the convention will be the Southern Evangelical Convention.

Scott Shaver

Robert:

Your comments make me wonder if the new “Southern Evangelical Convention” will continue to depend on missionaries or go with a purely media-driven approach. They seem to be more at home and their element with summit events, concerts, media productions and popular Christian literature/psychology/sociology. Why will they need physical human missionaries at all when they can beam world-wide to their “satellite” locations?

Andy

“…wearing our label…I don’t want to support that…I will never leave the Southern Baptist Convention. But increasingly, it is leaving me. If I believe in the direction of the SBC less and less, then how can I be expected to give to it more and more?”

While we disagree about some things, I believe you are accurately describing and even illustrating in your own views a growing issue in the SBC. In the “olden” days, perhaps for the majority of SBC existence, there has been a shared identity that went along with the label. People would say “I am a Southern Baptist.” Many younger people today would rather say, “I am a Christian, , perhaps a baptist, and my church partners with and supports the SBC (and some other organizations) for Missions and other ministries.

I can’t comment on what’s good and bad about this trend, except to say that I fully identify with it. I grew up in a baptist church that was a part of the GARBC (General Association of Regular Baptist Churches). The theology would have been essentially the same, only the cooperation with other churches looked different. But I would never have said i was a “General Baptist” or anything like that…and that self-identifying trend did not change when I joined a Southern Baptist Church. To me, it was simply another group of baptists who worked together on some things. IF I am at all illustrative of the younger set (I’m 35), then you are correct that we also, like you have no desire to give our money to causes and partners we don’t believe in. This has also been the impetus behind the trend of churches like mine decreasing their CP giving: Not liking how it was being spent. In our case, while doing so, we increased out giving to Lottie moon/IMB, but not every church will do that.

Further, if the IMB decides that the bulk of it’s mission force will have to find their own funding, then it is really no different than many other missions organizations…which means many churches may re-consider where their money goes, and use OTHER criteria when determining who to support.

I cannot say with you that I will never leave the Southern Baptist Convention, simply because for me, it is more about the local church. Even if in the next 5-10 years the SBC shrivels and shrinks and can’t find it’s momentum….If I am in a good church, I would not leave because the leadership of ONE of it’s ministry partners does some things I disagree with, provided it was not some serious sin that my own church leaders were condoning….BUT, if God calls me on to a new location, I will definitely be open to non-sbc churches.

I don’t say these things with any animosity, but I say them as an illustration of how one younger-generation SBC pastor sees things…and I suspect that many more in my generation see things in a similar way.

In Christ,
-andy

Scott Shaver

Andy brings up an interesting point/question.

We’ve been told by fundamentalist leaders over the years that DOCTRINE is glue holding “Southern Baptists” together.

Others have contended over the years that volunatarism and cooperation for missions/evangelism was the glue holding the rope of sand together.

We’re about to see (perhaps seeing now) which theory was correct.

Lydia

Oh dear, Rick. I do believe you have misunderstood or perhaps downplayed the whole SGM, Mahaney, SGLou movement and scandalabra. “Charismatic” is probably too broad a term and could easily be put in the “big tent” category. I fear it is much worse than that.

Mahaney’s roots, beliefs and operating style are 100% Shepherding Cult Movement. The Catholic Renewal stuff from the 70’s to the Shepherding movement. This has obviously evolved with the times from the late 70’s but for many years his movement was called “People of Destiny” and he was their “Apostle”. I am still in shock that Mohler hooked up with this movement and brought it into the SBC. Shepherding cults are what they sound like. Specially anointed men who run the show and take your money. They used to have prophecy mics and such. In the SBC I grew up in, we would have considered them way out fringe. In the same category, perhaps, as the snake handlers in Eastern Ky. But now, it is the norm. The cult tells you what you can believe and disciplines you if you do not obey your pastor “and make it a joy for him to serve you”. Hebrews 13:17 is their favorite verse. Mahaney managed to keep the shepherding cult because he kept reinventing himself and his movement over many years.

If people take the time to read SGMwikileaks and the Lawsuit docs (for which all this came out and Nate Morales is now facing life sentence for molestations and Mahaney’s own brother in law testified that Mahaney knew what was going on) they will have a better idea of what a shepherding movement looks like inside. It is not pretty. It is down right creepy.

In a growing “church discipline” 9 Marks environment from the YRR wing of the SBC, I am still perplexed why CJ was able to escape the discipline of SGM into Dever’s arms and then to Louisville to “plant a church near the seminary”. How come CJ is not in sin for following the dictates of his own discipline structure of “degifting” the pastor? Why did Dever ignore this, too? Was CJ really above it all? It seems their discipline only works on the pew sitters who pay them. Now his brand of shepherding cult is a bonafide SBC church and the high school educated Mahaney is an SBC pastor sharing stages with TGC and T4G guys.

Many of CJ’s entourage who fled with him, are now ensconced at SBTS and receiving SBC perks.

There is a much deeper sickness in the SBC than most are willing to admit. Who wants to be a part of a shepherding cult. James McDonald at Harvest is not far behind as congregationalism is from Satan.

Let us send a message we value children and even older people over the celebrities. Their words and actions don’t match.

Christian

I would be much more inclined to sacrifice and give, if we were trying to keep our experienced missionaries on the field. Something about this just doesn’t smell right! If I understand this correctly the 300 to 600 that will be “sent”, within the next two years will have to raise their own support? There might be one good thing about that, we Baptist can be more selective as to who we send, making sure we are sending Baptist’s, not Presbyterian.

    Anonymous M

    Fortunately, there will still be some of us out here with experience. Please give remembering, again, that LMCO is not about David Platt or the VRI. Many of us are still out here. We will grieve the loss of our colleagues if they go, but those of us who are left are called not to follow trends in the SBC but the call of our mighty God to make disciples. Thanks for your ministry and for your concern to keep missionaries on the field through our proven system of cooperation.

      Scott Shaver

      With all due respect Anonymous M.

      “Those of you who are left” were commissioned by the IMB to do with as “THEY WILL” in the name of Jesus.

      The “proven” system of cooperation is HISTORY now. Question of alternatives and networks now.

JD Hall

Well, it may be a first, but…good article. Really.

    Scott Shaver

    Yes, good article.

    Still waiting on you to come up with one J.D.

Ken

Dr. Rick:

Your thought-provoking article highlights the depth to which the SBC has sunken by placing in prominent positions such men as Platt, Moore, Page, and Mohler – and on and on I could go! It provides proof that there is little(no?) hope for the long term viability of the SBC as a force for God unless He miraculously intervenes and removes these many men from leadership positions. From what I have seen it would need to be an ultra-miraculous intervention based on the firmly entrenched ideologies of these people.

It cements my recent decision to completely renounce any and all allegiances to the SBC after 66 years of membership. Even though I temporarily continue to be a member of a SBC-affiliated church, I have taken steps to assure that none of my offerings are available to any National SBC or SBC-affiliated State entity except the IMB through the Lottie Moon Offering. My feeling is that it will take a while for that organization to be completely Calvanized and neutered and by that time this 84 year old will be “long gone.”

If many others would follow my lead it might serve as a wake-up call to the current SBC leadership.

    Anonymous M

    Ken,

    Thank you for continuing to pledge financial support to the IMB. Trust me, the IMB is not Calvanized. Honestly, I do not think it will ever truly be. These “leaders” come and go, but the on the field we do not discuss the divide in the SBC. We try our best to work hard and preach the gospel to everyone we meet. Thanks for your many years of service!

      Ken

      Anonymous M:

      Thanks for your kind words but you and every other missionary are the ones who deserve our thanks for the tremendous personal sacrifices you have undergone to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

      May God bless you in every moment and in every endeavor.

        Anonymous M

        Ken,

        Thank you! We pray that there would be unity in the SBC and that cooperation would continue.

      Scott Shaver

      Anonymous M: give me or the average “joe in the pew” one good tangible reason to believe ANYTHING coming out of Nashviille, IMB or Southern Seminary…..give me just one.

    Max

    I wonder if anyone is keeping a tally of long-term Southern Baptist members who are entering the “done” ranks? That number appears to be increasing in my area, as I observe the dynamics of various SBC churches around me.

    “… there is little(no?) hope for the long term viability of the SBC as a force for God unless He miraculously intervenes …” Yep, it’s come to that!

Hugh McCann

Would only add last year’s Vatican visitors, Rick Warren & the aforementioned Russell Moore (aka Chuck Colson 2.0).

The cozying up to antichrists isn’t limited to the Muslims in Name Only….

And in passing remind those who care (both of you) that the SBC has cornered the market on CINO-WFIAS (Calvinists in name only whenever funding is at stake).

D. Morgan

The Calvinist issue must be addressed. We, as Southern Baptists are going to have to choose. I hate to say it, but the current situation cannot stand. Where are the stong, traditional Pastors who will challenge this? Where is Pastor Floyd? Why are we surrendering our herritage to Mohler, Sproul, et al without a fight? If the Southern Baptist Convention must split, so be it.We went through this before with the progressives. It is not new territory. As the grandson and nephew of two dedicated, Godly Preachers gone to their Lord, it tears my heart to see what is happening within the convention.

Rick Patrick

You asked, “Where is Pastor Floyd?” Southern Seminary partners with Pastor Floyd’s church in Arkansas by providing an Extension Center there. Many SBC leaders who agree with Traditional Southern Baptist salvation doctrine (http://connect316.net/TheologicalConvictions) nevertheless are very sympathetic and supportive of the trend toward disproportionate Calvinist influence.

There are actually two determinations a person must make before they are ready to begin pushing back. First, one has to embrace Traditional theology. (Many fit in this category.) Next, one has to embrace the idea that it needs to be strongly defended and even promoted in order to restore balance to the convention and prevent a total Calvinist takeover. (Fewer fit in this category.)

Having said that, Connect 316 is growing. Our first annual banquet at the SBC in Baltimore had 100 participants. Our second annual banquet in Columbus had 200 participants. We need to keep growing and adding to the number of Southern Baptists who would like to see something done to address this issue. (http://connect316.net/)

    D. Morgan

    Thank you Rick. I have visited Connect 316 numerous times and I signed the statement. I looked at the names of those who signed, and was encouraged to see many pastors.

Max

“We are paying trained missionaries to incentivize their premature return from the field.”

If we truly believe that IMB missionaries are called and anointed by God and surrendered to that calling on His timetable, they should be the last salaries cut in the huge overall Southern Baptist budget. “Touch not my anointed!” may have a boomerang effect throughout the denomination.

DRD

Good article and one that deserves some thought.

1. The issue of using the Koran is rightly called out. The “Insiders Movement” is that concern, and this is a legitimate concern that should be rejected by the SBC.

2. SBCers have used CP money for other entities other than SBCers for Seminary Education for as long as I have known. The difference today is our alliances are more with conservative groups rather than liberal groups like the ABC-USA.

3. Supporting missionaries who raise their own funds is not anti-SBC, but it allows SBCers to have more individual contact with missionaries. Training is important and should be a part of this process, but this is not an attack on SBC.

4. A hiring freeze may not help the missionary woes. While they may be losing some valuable people on the field now, the fear is having a lost generation in the future (at least that would be my fear). This would have long term missionary issues.

5. Russell Moore may be the best person at the ERLC. Yes, Moore called out Planned Parenthood in several statements, articles, and much more. He has called out Hillary’s stance on several issues. He was not silent.

Just my thoughts on this issue.

    Scott Shavers

    DRD:

    An honest assessment of the sources reveals a Russell Moore who is preoccupied with bashiing Donald Trump instead of the left wing. He’s been to Washington…..and likes it. Don’t offend the party in power until they’re out.

    Good remarks about Planned Parenthood notwithstanding, where else has he represented Southern Baptists including a call for removal of historical icons (i.e. Battle Flag of civil war Virginia Infantry) everywhere EXCEPT SOUTHERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY?

    Kim Davis, under the bus? Even if Moore is THE BEST person at ERLC, the best represents at best half of SBCers? Especially on topics about which many of them would remain silent.

    Dr. Will Hall

    DRD:

    I hate to sound unkind, but your points have some gaping holes and in some cases seem to miss the larger problems.

    (1) The problem is deeper than just the use of the Koran but the leadership problem this reveals. It’s not a matter of rejecting this methodology, but looking ahead to what other problem is going to arise with this kind of mentality.

    (2) You use a broad brush to vouchsafe “our alliances” as “conservative.” Please give details about whom and what you mean.

    I recall the same dismissive response to concerns about the lack of evidence of the Holy Spirit in the life and ministry of Mark Driscoll. He preaches the “gospel”; he’s “conservative” like us; he has a robust “doctrine” were the refrains as I recall.

    Such vouchsafes are no longer sufficient and raise red flags.

    Aaron Coe was appointed VP for Mobilization for NAMB because “he has been a leader among young Southern Baptists for many years,” and because he was “a gifted strategist [who] has demonstrated his mobilization effectiveness through his work in New York City” as well as “creative, engaging and effective.”

    His bio suggested he had incredible experience, ability and results (http://www.sendnyc.com/About/Aaron_Coe.htm): “A social entrepreneur, pastor, and leadership developer, Aaron Coe has spent his career assessing existing community needs and working with the Church to address and meet those needs.”

    His church numbers (Gallery Church, NYC):

    2007 Worship attendance – 190
    2008 Worship attendance – 125
    2009 Worship attendance – 120
    2010 Worship attendance – 100

    We need to guard against much more than “liberal” threats.

    Another broad brush vouchsafe of sorts is the statement, “facts are our friends” It’s used as a goad to force an idea on others so much so, now, that it is seen as a red flag about truthfulness. For the record, the Bible instructs that we are to be like the Bereans and test all things.

    (3) The more important issue is whether our evangelism strategy is effective.

    The “people group” approach (with its “pioneer” focus at the expense of a “harvest”) and its attending artificial 2 percent threshold have not resulted in soul winning on the scale that $300 million annually should be producing.

    (4) A two year moratorium (delay) affecting 600 appointees total (of which only about half would be Millennials) would lose a generation?

    I see you have a business leadership connection. Perhaps you might give this more thought in terms of cost-benefit or risk-reward: A temporary delay of sending 600 people versus the loss of 6,000 to 8,000 years of experience on the field (average of 10 years experience for 600-800 senior missionaries).

    (5) I’ve worked closely with ERLC. I would argue that Dr. Barrett Duke by far is the top mind (theology and policy) at ERLC now.

    Lydia

    “3. Supporting missionaries who raise their own funds is not anti-SBC, but it allows SBCers to have more individual contact with missionaries. Training is important and should be a part of this process, but this is not an attack on SBC.”

    This just shows how much the SBC has changed for the worse. We had personal contact with missionaries my entire childhood. Most churches did as they sponsored their furloughs (old fashioned word, there) with housing, cars, etc, etc. The missionaries made the rounds to churches giving talks on their experiences. It was a huge deal with the WMU. We had some missionaries staying with us at least 2x per year…kids and all. It was just what people did then. They don’t need to raise their own funds for there to be personal contact. That is a misnomer. Throwing the WMU to the curb was a big part of the disconnect. And yet, there is another thing to consider. Those who have to go out and raise funds are then expected to have constant contact/updates. Do you see any long term problems with this because I see them quite a bit with my family members who are in organizations where they raise their own funds.

    When the missionaries raise their own funds they will be required to send them through the IMB, right? Well, most of the missionaries I know who are in those sorts of organizations find ways around that all the time. Some even have their own non profit organization sponsored by a friend to funnel money through outside the sending organization. In some ways you cannot get around this because gifts in kind, etc are also part and parcel of how these things play out. I think the IMB will find they have even less control over people financially which is where all control begins and ends. But at least the missionary might not have to worry as much about being thrown to the curb when they are 50.

    But also think of this. When missionary A raises a lot of money but missionary B has struggles with raising funds, are both paid the same– all things being equal? Do you see the long term issue with this?

Paul

Hi Rick and all, I contacted IMB about this and they will be getting back to me Monday and I’ll talk to my pastor Tuesday. I was told by IMB, as I understand them, that David Platt’s presentation at the convention fit smoothly with his later decision, that the churches have been informed about what was going on before the decision was made and your point 2 that you made in this blog post wasn’t accurate.
I was given the following link for an accurate presentation of what was going on.
http://imb.org/updates/storyview-3516.aspx#.VgWPHhzD_EU
Since I will be talking with them and my pastor next week about this,I’d appreciate any feedback you or anyone can give me about the situation, particularly about the second point you made in your post. Also since I got the impression from them that reading SBC today and SBC voices didn’t give me an accurate picture of the situation,any links to sources would be appreciated. I want to make sure I have a an accurate picture with sources that will be accepted when I talk with people next week.
Thanks.

Sent from my iPadh

    Rick Patrick

    Hi Paul,

    This paragraph comes directly from one of our missionaries who attended the worldwide town hall meeting on September 10th: “Something added in at the end, after all the bombshells, was that the IMB will change its retirement package for the future. It will not be as generous. Sounded to me as though that was one more incentive to retire now, but that’s just my view.” http://bit.ly/1Qv9vAm

    Basically, this is another way of saying that when the incentive period is over, some of the incentives will go away. That will necessarily reduce the value of the retirement package being offered going forward. The incentive program has a deadline. Thus, they have to take it now or risk a retirement package of lesser value in the future. In my view, that adds unnecessary pressure. I think our missionaries deserve to be treated better than that.

Lydia

Paul, the high level employees at IMB are the same who put it in the crisis mode it is in now. They are still there “fixing” it. I am not sure I would believe much from them. How can they possibly tell you if phase 2 will be much worse or not? The “warning” has been discussed all over place. If they say it won’t be worse why would enough people retire?

Don’t expect straight answers. Think GCR lockbox. That is how communication with those who “give” works for those who “spend”. Good stewards? I think not. Third party audit on all spending! I think we all might be appalled at the results.

Scott Shaver

Lydia is right.

Not that it matters to anyone but I wouldn’t take anything at face value coming from SBC executive committee or IMB board of trustees.

Third party audit on all spending is definitely in order.

Lydia

Paul, ask to see the actual contracts or packages for the top level IMB employees and lets see how they compare.

One blogger was supporting a new VP of support services. Just hired a month or so ago. Check that out, too. It’s your money they are spending. Some of our leaders are calling you selfish and even accusing you of robbing God.

Jay Landry - M

Thank you so much for this article. I, like you, am concerned about the direction that the IMB he heading. Recently, Sebastian, the second now in charge of the IMB, told us at a meeting that we should be able to implement some of the same principles that his past church is Washington D.C, implements. It think it would behoove all of my peers to look at Capitol Hill Baptist Church and the actions of their pastor, Mark Dever. IF we stay, we should be prepared to sign contracts like the ones they use at Capital Hill Baptist Church. It would also be wise for us to look at the 9 Marks organization that will impact IMB strategy. Anyway, that you so very much for voicing on your blog what so many of us want to voice, but cannot at this time. Pray for us. We have hard decisions to make and want to make them in a way that will honor the Father.

    Scott Shaver

    Forget models out of Devers church, Washington DC and Nashville. That’s your problem now!

    Lydia

    Recently, Sebastian, the second now in charge of the IMB, told us at a meeting that we should be able to implement some of the same principles that his past church is Washington D.C, implements. It think it would behoove all of my peers to look at Capitol Hill Baptist Church and the actions of their pastor, Mark Dever. IF we stay, we should be prepared to sign contracts like the ones they use at Capital Hill Baptist Church”

    Well yes, this should scare people to death if they have done their homework and are not authoritarians. I am wondering who at IMB will hold the keys and be the spiritual human mediators for the other employees? No Holy Spirit needed in that system.

    Anonymous M

    Good point Jay. I had benefited in the past from one or two things at the 9Marks website etc. But, I would never, ever seek to impose it on any of my other coworkers. I think this is where we are going. The BFM 2000 should be our common ground. I think we are seeing a move to bring everyone into lock step with David Platt’s personal convictions. For those of us on the field that is becoming increasingly clear. The main problem we have always dealt with in my opinion is that all decisions are top down and do not have any basis in the reality of our diverse situations and contexts. We thought this might improve, but instead it has only gotten worse.

Scott Shaver

The long on rhetoric short on substance conference hosted by Jason Allen, Page Patterson, Al Mohler, Ronnie Floyd, Frank Page yesterday indicates pretty much that THEY’RE OPEN TO ANYTHING THAT WILL BRING IN SOME SBC BUCKS. Platt may already have fund managers in place for “non-conventional” fund sourcing.

I recommend trained fish and dancing seals, tip jars either side of the stage.

    Hugh McCann

    Bind us together, bucks bind us together;
    We love you, Dollar Almighty…

    Here’s where gospel & theological issues are laid to rest: At Mammon’s altar.

Scott Shaver

Here’s MOORE:

Because animals (unlike Donald Trump) are people too.

http://erlc.com/article/evangelical-coalition-releases-statement-on-responsible-care-for-animals

    Lydia

    “Here’s MOORE:

    Because animals (unlike Donald Trump) are people too.

    http://erlc.com/article/evangelical-coalition-releases-statement-on-responsible-care-for-animals

    I was expecting to be forwarded to The Onion. Seriously? Us believers need to be told to steward animals? What about the practice of protecting those who protect “child” molesters and child pornographers? Oops, that one is harder when it comes to our buddies.

      Scott Shaver

      Lydia:

      Moore comes off to me as a cross between a cultural accommodationist and a religious sicarii.

      He walks close to line of Al Sharpton, Quanell X and other individuals who trumpet the idea that “blacks cannot discriminate.” What about a nation’s sovereignty and law? He has yet to speak of anything but apparent ‘open borders’ and full amnesty. He is walks too close to the edge of victimization and reverse discrimination to reflect the sentiments and thinking of this particular baptist.

      I do indeed find his brand of Christianity “Weird”.

      Maybe he should start wearing hemp clothing or even begin his own line, “Moore’s Heavenly Apparel”. They could promote the clothing line alongside his latest book, bobble-heads, and musings on culture.

      His war on the confederate flag is a joke …. he may be personally responsible for the sale of more confederate flags within the last six months than have been purchased over the last 30 years. Meanwhile, he says nothing about Mohler’s decision to leave the images of Boyce and Broadus, along with their accolades, on full display at the campus of SBTS.

      What’s good for geese obviously ain’t good for ganders. What about the ethical duplicity on this one?

        Lydia

        Scott, there are such things as “easy pickins” issues that foster support. He is rebranding the SBC for the popular culture. However, there is some anti business/captialism sentiment going back a bit. I can remember reading his take on the BP oil spill on his old “Moore to the Point” blog. You know, it is as if they think BP wanted the spill.

        None of this has helped his views on women in the Body. He is still full on patriarchal and once wrote that comps are wimps. Funny how he does not address that…nationally. Hmmm

          Scott Shaver

          Lydia:

          Yes, I know that those of us in the oil and gas industry have “no regard for responsible stewardship of the planet”.

          Problem is, even though we’re corporately “evil” and a “threat” to the “health” of the planet, we can’t afford to shut off the pipelines or the fractionating as it would hamper the ability of Moore, Floyd, Platt and others to travel and jet and increase their carbon footprints…..”for the glory of God and the healing of the nations”.

          They like to criticize but haven’t quit using our products…….with super regularity.

Scott Shaver

Here’s today’s question of the week for Neo Southern Baptists from Albert Mohler:

Will SBs be comprehensively confessional not just anecdotally confessional?

And it’s back to the galloping creedalism with a vengeance as the way to perpetuate “cooperation” and “strengthen what remains”?

YIKES.

Scott Shaver

Listen to Mohler’s entire stream from the “Summitt” yesterday.

Best job of subtle historical revision and theological adjustment to perpetuate creedalism I’ve ever heard in my life. Master of deception with historical nuance. This guy actually thinks he could read the mind and heart of Luther and thinks Southern Baptists need to be COMPREHENSIVELY MORE CONFESSIONAL than the divisive lows to which the organization has already sunk.

Real “money-maker” of an address for skeptical SBs.

MD

As one serving here on the mission field, we want to thank you for this post and your voice here and on other places such as SBC Voices. Keep it up!!! You’ve hit the nail on the head. It is very helpful to know we aren’t the only ones seeing it this way. You post has been an encouragement to us.

Jay Landry

Bits of information have come to light over the last week. 1. JD Greer’s plan for missions is what Platt and Sebastian are planning to use to implement in the IMB. 2. JD is Sebastian’s brother-in-law. 3. Sebastian and Platt have decided to usurp our East Asia leaders and slip members of Sebastian’s church, Capitol Hill Baptist Church, into leadership positions in Shanghai. These leadership usurping decision are occurring worldwide. He doesn’t trust my supervisors to make these decisions. 4. The person who they want to put into this Shanghai position, MC (abbreviated for security reasons), is currently with another non-SBC mission agency (I think I heard them mention Campus Crusade – CREW) 5. They have him on a fast track to join the IMB, even though others are currently waiting years to get appointed. 6. I listen to Platt’s view of the call a while back after it came out. Platt’s sermon on the “Call” has diminished the call to overseas missions to the same call that a plumber would have to be a Christian plumber. 7. They have asked us to not discuss the VRI with anyone we want to, because those to whom we speak may not be “Spiritual” enough to understand. 8. Anyone who signs the VRI will need to agree to the following excerpt from the contract: “Missionaries will not directly or indirectly at any time, make any disparaging remark, either oral or in writing, regarding IMB or any affiliated entity or any of their respective employees, officers, directors, affiliates, or agents, either individually or in any representative capacity. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this provision shall not preclude Missionaries from making truthful statements to any government agency or pursuant to any lawful subpoena.” Page 3 of 5 of Field VRI Agreement and Release. I am planning to get sued by the IMB. I’ll take the money and use it for lawyer’s fees. 9. In the meetings worldwide, Sebastian does a good job of showing his credentials to be a leader of the IMB. He is a graduate of Princeton and was a real good baseball player. People were not impressed. But most importantly, is number 10. Drum roll please. 10. David Platt keeps referring to us as the IMB family. — really! Is this how he treats his family?

    Anonymous M

    Jay,

    I feel your pain brother. Thanks for sharing all of this. I have been concerned that we must all bear the weight of this alone while our churches do not even know what is happening. The impression of everyone I have talked to is that all of these guys just come off as arrogant and cocky. No exactly what we were hoping for. They have no idea what it is to follow the missionary call. But they act like they have served 30 years on a Pacific island among cannibals.

Lydia

Jay, But you are not saying the politically correct things. Truth is not the goal in this movement that has taken over the SBC. People still want to get in bed with this sort of consistent deception and call it “unity”. I fear they sell their own souls in doing so. I find it incredible that people actually think Jesus Christ operated in such a manner. He is our model, right? Wrong. In Calvinism, we cannot be like Christ at all while we are here. Most of the movement cult of personality followers won’t believe any of it anyway. They are blinded by their devotion to the gurus thinking it is devotion to God. And you know, according to their doctrine everything is preordained to happen so throwing missionaries under the bus was planned by God to happen. (God has favorites, you know, and you aren’t one of them but Platt and Treager are)

The whole “sign away your right to speak” is indicative of the movement. You can trace it to “Peacemakers” and Ambassadors who counseled SGM for years. We see it in the 9 Marx style “contract” to obey the guru. We see it very early on with Mohler who at 33 fired a 64 year old man (who did not get full retirement) for speaking truth….because he had the power to do so. This is how they operate, “for the Glory of God”. Let us be honest: It is for their own glory. They use God.

At some point, if we continue to allow this to define Christianity under some misguided idea of “totalitarian niceness” we are part of the problem and we go along with presenting a different Jesus to the world than the one we claim to know. Jesus Christ did not “use” people and throw them away.

At this point, you are not dealing with Christ followers but powermongers who want to use the pew sitters money for their own gain. (I see this all the time here with YRR pastors “seeing the world” on pew sitters dime) This is NOT a “trivial” issue so they can whine about 1 Corin all they want.. This is not how those in Jesus Christ’s kingdom operate. Of course, they will do all they can to “marginalize” you all if you dare speak up. They are probably looking into you right now. These are not people with character and integrity. They are frauds for Jesus. And they want to spread it around the globe. I am not sure why more cannot see that? Perhaps it is because they have managed quite well to redefine Jesus Christ and put human mediators in place of the Holy Spirit?.

My heart breaks for those who are caught up in this deceptive power play.They were sold a bait and switch by the powers. But frankly, if folks are not willing to defend truth and justice, they will just become one more in the long line of casualties in their quest for power and stand by while other people are used and hurt. And they will claim those who don’t go along are “selfish” and “robbing God”.

At this point, I have to tweak a quote from Reagan when it comes to anything from YRR movement leaders in the SBC: Verify then trust. We are dealing with a bunch of little Stalin’s.

There is another answer. The money dries up. And Jay, yes. This is how they treat their brothers and sisters in Christ. I am not sure just how much more proof folks need.

Scott Shaver

Jay Landry:

Thanks for this info. What is your current relationship to IMB if you’re able to disclose?

David Platt sounds like a well-intentioned, “spiritual” but totally naive administrator.who’s more committed to “missions” through his own preferred networks and ideology than the historical protocols and practice of “Southern Baptists.” Being “spiritual” doesn’t necessarily preclude people from making stupid decisions. If any returning missionaries end up in court with the IMB over “disclosure”, the IMB leaders and trustees won’t be able to withstand the backlash. Pulling something like that would show just how far short of their reputations these super-spiritual
leaders and administrators actually fall.

Why not change the name from IMB of the SBC to YRR World Missions Project?

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