The Shot Heard ‘Round the SBC (Part B)

Steve Lemke, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary

“Young, Southern Baptist, and . . . Irrelevant?”

In the first part of this article, I reflected on Brad Whitt’s article “Young, Southern Baptist, . . . and Irrelevant?,” which was published in the South Carolina state Baptist Courier, on his own blog, and in six additional Baptist state papers. Responses to Whitt’s article, pro and con, have weighed in all over the country in Baptist papers, various blogs, and Facebook discussions.  Whitt’s response to these many comments has now been posted on his blog, which he entitled, “The Challenge for Contributing, Committed Southern Baptists.”

I observed, for those who might have missed it, that the title of Whitt’s article appeared to be an allusion to an oft-referenced article in the 2006 issue of Christianity Today, entitled “Young, Restless, and Reformed:  Calvinism is Making a Comeback and Shaking Up the Church,” by Collin Hansen, which he later expanded into a book by a similar title, Young, Restless, Reformed: A Journalist’s Journey with the New Calvinists. I also noted that many of the “new Calvinists” or “neoCalvinists” about whom Hansen wrote seem to fit the description of what Mark Driscoll and Ed Stetzer call “Reformed Relevants.” Whitt retained “young,” since he is a younger pastor, and substituted “Southern Baptist . . . Irrelevant?” instead of “Restless and Reformed” or “Reformed Relevants.”  Obviously, Whitt thinks that his purported irrelevance has been greatly exaggerated.

The “Baptist Identity” Fault Line and Other Converging Fault Lines

What do we make of the furor (pro and con) created by Whitt’s article? Obviously, Brad has touched a nerve in Southern Baptist life.  My observation was that Whitt’s article and the response to it reveals one of the deepest fault lines in the SBC – between what I thought Whitt  might describe as those who have a “high Baptist identity” and those who have a “low to moderate Baptist identity.”  I expressed that though this fault line is real, it is difficult to define clearly.  It does involve a cluster of theological/ecclesiological/ methodological issues, especially about how to “do church,” but I noted that the primary difference between them may be more of an ethos than clearly defined theological issues.  I then tried to suggest a few examples about how these two perspectives might differ on a few issues, though these examples were merely suggestive or illustrative examples.  I might point out that all any neutral observer would need to do in order to recognize such a fault line is to read the many responses to my post and to Whitt’s article.  The two sides of the chasm reflect a strong and sometimes emotional reaction against each other, and an obvious difference of perspective.

I then suggested that the “Baptist identify” fault line is just one fault line in Southern Baptist life.  In fact, there is a series of other interconnected, partially overlapping, and partially converging fault lines in the SBC – smaller churches vs. megachurches, anti-GCR vs. pro-GCR, majority Baptist theology vs. Reformed theology, advocates of associations and state convention vs. detractors of associations and state convention, Cooperative Program as a high value vs. Cooperative Program as a tertiary value, etc.  These fault lines are not identical, though they may parallel and converge at times.  But an eruption in one of the fault lines sets off shockwaves in each of these other fault lines, and hence a great deal of disagreement within the larger Southern Baptist fellowship.

I’ll not “unpack” all of these fault lines – perhaps they are largely self-explanatory.  Among these tensions, I’ve probably participated personally more in the “majority Baptist theology” vs. “Reformed Baptist theology” discussions (from the perspective of majority Baptist theology) in both the book co-edited by David Allen and me, Whosoever Will:  A Biblical-Theological Critique of Five-Point Calvinism, and in other presentations and publications such as “What Is a Baptist:  Nine Marks that Separate Baptists from Presbyterians,” so I’ll not comment further on that issue, other than to reference two recent blog posts at SBC Tomorrow (by Peter Lumpkins) and From Law to Grace (by Howell Scott) who reference this precise fault line in their comments.

However, I believe that one of the most overlooked fissures in Southern Baptist life is the opening chasm between smaller traditional churches and the larger megachurches.  By far, the majority of churches in the SBC are smaller churches.  According to figures from church annual reports gathered by the Leavell Center for Evangelism and Church Health at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, about 60 percent of our churches (roughly 26,000 of them) have 100 or less in worship attendance each week.  Another 18 percent of the churches (roughly 7,700 churches) have 200 or fewer in worship attendance.  So, a total of about 33,000 churches, or 78 percent of all our SBC churches are smaller churches. In contrast, just 580 churches in the SBC have 1,000 or more in worship attendance each week (just over 1 percent of SBC churches). Not all the smaller churches are traditionalist; indeed, many of the smaller churches are church plants with a contemporary style.  But the overwhelming majority of these 26,000 smaller churches are traditionalist in style, whether located in rural, suburban, or urban settings.  At the same time, not all larger churches have a contemporary style; some have blended services or multiple services with several various worship styles. But most do tend to be more contemporary in style and more open to innovation in methodology.

The majority of churches in the SBC being smaller is also reflected in the employment status of their pastors.  About 10,000 pastors of Southern Baptist churches are bivocational or part-time, which is about 23 percent of all SBC pastors.  Given the size of their numbers, this group appears to be consistently overlooked and underrepresented in Convention life.  Overlooking the needs of smaller churches has produced a “disconnect” from the SBC with many smaller churches, and the underrepresentation in Convention forums has produced resentment on the part of some smaller church pastors.  In the early days of the Conservative Resurgence, there seemed to be a much closer connection between megachurch pastors and small church pastors, but for whatever reason, that relationship seems to have cooled.  Although most pastors admire and respect the preaching and leadership of megachurch pastors as individuals in light of their obvious success, I have heard more difficult-to-define negative perceptions than I have in the previous years.

I first became aware of this fault line while pastoring my first church in Texas.  Frank Page and I were doctoral students at Southwestern Seminary, and we served as pastors of smaller churches in the same (Palo Pinto) association – he at First Baptist Church of Possum Kingdom Lake, and me at First Baptist Church in Santo. When I took my people to training events such as Sunday School training conferences, they were angered that they were presented a “one size fits all” presentation from a large Dallas church which had virtually nothing in common with how our churches functioned or the people to whom we ministered. At the same time, though the church in which I served was a small town church, it was not unusual for us to have a third of the population of the entire community attending our church on any given Sunday.  Although a large church like First Baptist Church of Dallas (the largest church in the SBC at that time) would always get the denominational awards for having the most baptisms and members, some of us small town pastors mused that these statistics might not be the best evaluation of effectiveness.  If FBC Dallas reached the same proportion of their community that we did each Sunday, they would have about 800,000 people in church each week!

However, although this big church/smaller church tension has been present in convention life a long time, it seems to be coming to a head now in a more pointed way.  I was struck in 2004 when Bobby Welch, a popular pastor of a large church in Florida and designer of the FAITH evangelism program, was the consensus nominee for President of the SBC.  However, a pastor from a small rural church in North Carolina was unexpectedly nominated against him, and he amazingly garnered about a third of the vote.  I can’t imagine anyone not liking someone as winsome, evangelistic, and positive as Bobby Welch, so I don’t think these votes were against Welch.  Some people told me that they were voting against a process in which they perceived that a small group of key pastors to be presenting one agreed upon nominee each year—and that nominee always seemed to be a megachurch pastor.  Perceiving the choice to be made by “power brokers” in a “smoke-filled room” (not literally, of course!), some of those voting for the rural church pastor were apparently making a protest vote against this process. Of course, almost all the Presidents of the SBC in its history have been large church pastors or entity heads, and they have been nominated by key denominational leaders.  However, there seems to be more distrust of the process now than in previous years.

This dynamic also seemed evident in some of the question and answer times in public meetings sponsored by the GCR Committee, with some small church pastors pointedly challenging large church pastors on various issues. This tension found organizational expression more recently with the creation of the SBC Majority Initiative, which sought to increase the number of pastors and members of smaller churches in SBC agency board appointments, and to increase their profile in other SBC settings.

There is much misunderstanding and mistrust here – and hurt and frustration on each side as well. Megachurch pastors were angered when their perception was that SBC officials were establishing a given percentage of giving through the Cooperative Program as litmus test for serving in SBC office, when some of them had been approached personally by IMB and NAMB leaders beseeching them to functionally redirect funds from CP to give directly to support special mission projects.  (There is only so much money in the pot, so to give significantly to one usually requires cutting the other). They gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to direct missions efforts, and thus less through the Cooperative Program. But then they were criticized or discounted for candidacy to SBC offices because their CP contribution was smaller. Also, megachurches must usually build new facilities to accommodate their worshippers, and thus face the challenge of paying off significant building and interest costs, as well as personnel and program costs to support their great ministries.

On the other hand, smaller church pastors were suspicious that larger church pastors were downplaying the Cooperative Program percentage giving just so they could be candidates for elective office in the SBC, and understood some aspects of the GCR to allow for such non-CP giving to “count” for their “credit” when evaluating their church’s commitments and contributions to missions. And the smaller church pastors feel proportionally underrepresented on SBC platforms and entity board appointments. There are probably some differences between the two groups in areas such as worship styles and openness to innovation as well.  Let me be very clear—my point is not to side with smaller churches or larger churches here; my point is just to be descriptive in illustrating that this has become a considerable fault line in SBC life.

So, what impact does all this have on the SBC? Given all these microdivisions within the SBC, when we get together for our annual meeting, we are (in a way) like the Democratic party – not so much a single unified party, but a combination of special interest groups.  You could say that we have become such a “big tent” filled with so many diverse perspectives that we are particularly vulnerable to significant disagreements within the fellowship.  Diversity is good, but division is not. We have more fragmentation than integration, and the center of Southern Baptist life is getting smaller and smaller. We seem to be moving away from the center, not toward the center.  Each of the interest groups talks with people in their own group (and we all agree that the other side is wrong).  We may talk to or at other groups, but we do not talk with other groups.

Something must change if we are to have a future.  In fact, it appears to me that there are just two possible futures or “solutions” for the fault lines that fracture the SBC.  That will be the subject of my last post in this article, as I suggest two possible paths as we move toward the future.

Next:  “The Shot Heard ‘Round the SBC, Part C:  The Two Paths

Steve Lemke

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14 Responses to The Shot Heard ‘Round the SBC (Part B)

  1. Christiane says:

    “Diversity is good, but division is not. We have more fragmentation than integration, and the center of Southern Baptist life is getting smaller and smaller. We seem to be moving away from the center, not toward the center.”

    How is this ‘center’ now defined ?

    What is history of how the center of Southern Baptist life has been defined and were there well-intentioned changes along the way that might have led to present difficulties?

  2. Tim Rogers says:

    Dr. Lemke,

    Megachurch pastors were angered when their perception was that SBC officials were establishing a given percentage of giving through the Cooperative Program a litmus test for serving in SBC office, when they had been approached personally by IMB and NAMB leaders beseeching them to functionally redirect funds from CP to give directly to support special mission projects.

    Could you direct me to more on this subject?

    Blessings,
    Tim

  3. Les Puryear says:

    If IMB and NAMB leaders have been asking anyone to divert funds from CP to support special projects, then we have a huge leadership problem.

    BTW, good synposis of the small church/megachurch divide.

    Les

  4. Steve Lemke says:

    Les and Tim,
    I’m confident that nobody from IMB or NAMB asked anyone to divert funds to special projects. What they did was to meet with the megachurch pastor(s) and present them with the challenge of sponsoring the mission effort in a particular city or people group. This was the kind of project that required several hundred thousand dollars over several years. The problem is that, at the end of the day, as I said, “there is so much money in the pot.” So although I would be stunned if the IMB or NAMB representatives exactly ASKED the pastors to REDIRECT the CP funds, it probably did have that impact functionally in some cases. That is not true in every case, of course — John Marshall of Second Baptist Church in Springfield, MO is a great example to the contrary, i.e., leading his church to give sacrificially to CP and the mission offerings AND to send dozens of groups of international trips each year. But it is not always so.

    A couple of quick examples — it’s not uncommon when you’re pushing the Lottie Moon or Annie Armstrong offerings in a local church, if you do so at those designated times of the year, that the regular offering of the church may suffer a bit. Functionally, people are giving the same; they’re just giving to the cause you’ve highlighted rather than their normal tithes or offerings to the storehouse. I think that redirection of funds might happen somewhat unintentially in some churches who increase supporting a particular mission directly and decrease general missions support through the CP. In their minds, it’s just another way of doing missions giving.

    The problem, of course, is that this pushes us back to the “Society” approach, in which each church is recruited by individual missionaries to support a particular mission or project, and there is no unified mission strategy or funding. Without a unified strategy, some get great financial support and others languish with minimal support.

    Another example — at a church meeting I attended, there were some IMB missionaries from one of the “stan” former Soviet republics. The missionary went through his normal missionary report until he came to a particular point in his Powerpoint slide show, and then said, “Perhaps you’re asking how you could help us do our work in -stan. Unfortunately, I’m not allowed to give you these details about how you can help unless you ask. But if you ask, then I can share some of them with you.” He said this somewhat humorously, and of course, the congregation caught his drift, and said, “How can we help?” So then he went to the next few slides and showed what needs they had — a Jeep, a radio station, a building, etc. What he was doing was going around the Lottie Moon offering and the Cooperative Program, indeed around the formally adopted CP agreement about not making direct appeal for funds (rather than through CP and missions offerings). This was an egregious violation of the business and financial plan of the SBC. Our NOBTS development officer would be fired if he went to a church and made a direct appeal for funds, or to put NOBTS in their budget. But this has unfortunately become rather commonplace by other entities in the convention. This direct appeal was no different than a missionary in a “faith missions” independent Baptist church would have given, or someone in the pre-Cooperative Program days of the Society method. Whoever has the best speaker gets the best offering. No central mission agency to do an overall assessment of needs and assignment of consistent and predictable funding, but every man (i.e., mission) for himself.

    Tim, I can share with you some specific examples of well-known megachurch pastors who were approached personally by mission agency heads asking for direct funding for cities or people groups, but since I wasn’t in the room, I would rather share this with you personally than in this forum. However, this practice was so common that it was foundational to the Megametro group being very resentful of imposing a “CP only” standard for evaluating qualifications for Conventio office when, in fact, mission agency heads were lobbying them directly and personally, and receiving from them hundreds of thousands of dollars in missions giving that did not “count” as missions support. Unfortunately, these mission agency heads did not stand up for them when these pastors were getting criticized later for minimal missions giving.

  5. Tim Rogers says:

    Dr. Lemke,

    Thanks for your gracious response. I appreciate your precarious position and need to beg your forgiveness for placing you in that position. You have certainly been more forthcoming than many.

    Blessings,
    Tim

  6. Les Puryear says:

    Dr. Lemke,

    Thank you for your candor. I am glad that we still have a couple of seminaries who aren’t sending Reformed pastors to our churches.

    Les

  7. Jason says:

    Les,

    How do you know what kind of ministers are being trained at NOBTS? Simply because Dr. Lemke eschews strict Calvinism doesn’t mean we don’t have 4 and 5 point Calvinists on faculty here, and it certainly doesn’t mean we don’t have students who are Reformed, graduate, and go on to pastor churches in the SBC.

    Whether you affirm it or not, the perception by ‘the other side’ is that your side is deeply antagonistic. It is seen most clearly in your comment, thanking Dr. Lemke that his school doesn’t produce ‘the other kind’, as if they have some sort of theological disease that should be banished from the SBC like leprosy. It is both sad and somewhat revealing that you cannot rejoice that a church calls the man they choose if his soteriology isn’t like yours.

    If i have misrepresented your position, then i apologize and insist that it wasn’t intentional or malicious. But it’s not as if I’m even having to read ‘between’ the lines when the message is so clearly ‘on’ the lines.

    Additionally, (and this is a response to a previously posted comment in this thread), there is nothing unethical about an entity approaching a church and asking to partner specifically with it on a current or future endeavor. The CP is a great concept, but it is not the ‘end all be all’ of the SBC. If it was, how in the world did we ever survive between 1845-1924? If a church chooses to give some of their money to the CP and some directly to NAMB, or ERLC, or GGBTS, then that is her business. The CP functions to pool money from all the churches, but it does not function to pool ‘all of the money’ from all of the churches.

    Blessings,
    Jason

  8. Jason says:

    Dr. Lemke,

    Let me say this may be the most impartial and unbiased piece of writing I believe I have ever read from you concerning the SBC and it’s various divisions. I applaud you for your fairness and kindness to all sides. It is never fun when two people disagree, but it is a joy to be able to discuss issues as harmonious interlocutors and not as bitter rivals. I bless you for your tone in this piece and look forward to future interaction.

    Blessings,
    Jason

  9. Mark says:

    Les,

    Aren’t you a Calvinist? Don’t you now have elders in your church? And why would you say something about NOBTS and Reformed pastors on this thread which is not addressing that topic? Plus, with Calvinists being such a minority I would assume they are not the “culprits” in the examples Dr. Lemke gave in his above reply. Whatever you mean by not sending Reformed pastors to SBC churches, I will just say that there are certainly Calvinist students at NOBTS.

  10. Dr, Lemke,

    Another fine piece and follow-up on Part I. Thank you.

    Jason,

    A) You write to Les, “Whether you affirm it or not, the perception by ‘the other side’ is that your side is deeply antagonistic. It is seen most clearly in your comment, thanking Dr. Lemke that his school doesn’t produce ‘the other kind’…it’s not as if I’m even having to read ‘between’ the lines when the message is so clearly ‘on’ the lines.”

    First, Les is a Five Point Calvinist if I am not mistaken. So his “antagonistic” perception is not as clear as you suggest. Second, Les didn’t generically mention the “other kind” but was very specific–”Reformed.” I would add it’s fairly apparent, Jason, you either do not see, or if you do see, you do not accept the well-documented distinction between being ‘Calvinistic’ and being “reformed’, a distinction consistent with what Les was attempting to communicate–at least that’s the way i read him.

    B). You also write: “there is nothing unethical about an entity approaching a church and asking to partner specifically with it on a current or future endeavor.” From my standpoint, this seems to reveal either a fundamental ignorance of the way the CP actually functions or blatant anarchy toward historic Southern Baptist missions-funding methods. Either one is tragic but demonstrates nicely Southern Baptists are in deep, deep trouble when statements like the one you made are passed along as the way the CP is understood by the next generation.

    With that, I am…
    Peter

  11. Jason says:

    Peter,

    I met Les once at a convention, but that was 5 (or so) years ago. We stood next to each other as Dwight McKissic and Russell Moore debated the issue of (I believe) prayer languages and tongues. I do not know his soteriological persuasion. I read him one way, and you read him another way. There seems to be no usefulness to a continued interpretation of his comment until he makes more clear his intention.

    Second, please do not insist that I am either ignorant or anarchistic towards the CP. You do not know me and so you can, with no level of intelligence, comment on this matter until you first converse with me. Such speculation on this matter by you is inaccurate and harmful to continued dialogue. When last I checked, the SBC survived quite fine for the first 75 years of her existence apart from the CP.

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  13. IMB M says:

    I was dismayed when I read Dr Lemke’s description of the missionary from the Stan’s boldfaced solicitation. I sent it to one of the associate vice presidents in Richmond who wrote back within hours and said he is going to look into the matter.

    While this type of thing obviously happens, I’d like to think that it is infrequent. Missionaries learn before they get to the field that it is not allowed and will get them in trouble. It’s too bad that none of this M’s colleagues who were there called him out from the floor. Like Dr. Lemke, many others in attendance probably considered this strongly inappropriate.

    -IMB M

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