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		<title>By: Being Wise and More Stupid &#8250; SBC, what is that anymore?</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10850</link>
		<dc:creator>Being Wise and More Stupid &#8250; SBC, what is that anymore?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After years of seeing the actuality of false information flying around the blogosphere and the ignorant and damning attacks on brothers in Christ in reference to Dr. Jim White VS. Dr. Ergun Caner, it&#8217;s time that the &#8220;rules of engagement&#8221; be called on to be followed by their creators at www.sbctoday.com  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After years of seeing the actuality of false information flying around the blogosphere and the ignorant and damning attacks on brothers in Christ in reference to Dr. Jim White VS. Dr. Ergun Caner, it&#8217;s time that the &#8220;rules of engagement&#8221; be called on to be followed by their creators at <a href="http://www.sbctoday.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbctoday.com</a>  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Doctor &#171; 2 Worlds Collide</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10849</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Doctor &#171; 2 Worlds Collide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] claims of Ergun Caner, president of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary in Lynchburg, Virginia.  Tim Rogers and Peter Lumpkins are circling the wagons in defense of Caner, while James White questions his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] claims of Ergun Caner, president of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary in Lynchburg, Virginia.  Tim Rogers and Peter Lumpkins are circling the wagons in defense of Caner, while James White questions his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Greatest Ignorance is to Reject Something You Know Nothing About &#124; DanielSpratlin.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Greatest Ignorance is to Reject Something You Know Nothing About &#124; DanielSpratlin.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brought against him in the comments section of the SBC Today post which you can read here and here. However, Mr. Rogers, as he is want to do, failed to interact or even acknowledge Dr. White&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] brought against him in the comments section of the SBC Today post which you can read here and here. However, Mr. Rogers, as he is want to do, failed to interact or even acknowledge Dr. White&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Rogers</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10847</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Matt,

It appears nothing short of my recanting this article and backing up to say that I beg your forgiveness and the forgiveness of all of the rabid hyper-Calvinist out there will satisfy you.  However, that will not happen.  So, it appears that you and I are done discussing this matter.

Brother Sean,

Thanks for reading and I ask that you continue to read.  Let me help you out on something.  I know there are many comments and you may have missed it.  I merely responded to Razorkiss when he stated that James White was employed by a SBC Seminary and Dr. Caner was not. I did a cursory search of James Whites blog and saw his courses that he listed as he was teaching.  Of course the level of courses that he presents would make it appear that he is, if not a full-time prof, at least an adjunctive prof. at GGBTS.  I very easily looked at GGBTS website to observe the listing of the faculty to look at his credentials.  To my surprise he was not listed at either the full-time or adjunctive positions.  I then went back to his website to view his credentials and do you know my surprise to find that his PhD is from an non-credited seminary.  I went to the seminary website and found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.columbiaseminary.org/aboutus/accreditation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this explanation&lt;/a&gt; for their lack of accreditation.  I am not questioning Columbia Evangelical Seminary&#039;s,I am merely asking how one can be a prof at an accredited seminary when his PhD does not hold an accreditation.  That is all I have done.  James White is not a Prof at GGBTS.  He may hold a class there every once in a while, but he is not employed by GGBTS as a Prof.

Chris S,

You apparently want to debate me on Twitter and everywhere else, using your own diatribe of something I have never said.  One more time for the record. I have never said that James White did not teach at GGBTS.  I asked how could a person that had no accredited PhD teach at a seminary whose accreditation demands the Prof have accredited degrees.

Matt,

If you choose not to believe I am a pastor and have pastoral duties that is your choice.

To everyone else,

It is overtly evident everyone is responding in this thread for one reason.  They are upset that James White and Dr. Caner did not debate.  Now James White has gotten what he wanted--a public call out to the Brothers Caner to debate him and he will shut up about these Muslim claims.  Thus, we are no longer discussing this on this post.  If you desire to discuss this, please feel free to do so on your own blogs.

Blessings,
Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Matt,</p>
<p>It appears nothing short of my recanting this article and backing up to say that I beg your forgiveness and the forgiveness of all of the rabid hyper-Calvinist out there will satisfy you.  However, that will not happen.  So, it appears that you and I are done discussing this matter.</p>
<p>Brother Sean,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and I ask that you continue to read.  Let me help you out on something.  I know there are many comments and you may have missed it.  I merely responded to Razorkiss when he stated that James White was employed by a SBC Seminary and Dr. Caner was not. I did a cursory search of James Whites blog and saw his courses that he listed as he was teaching.  Of course the level of courses that he presents would make it appear that he is, if not a full-time prof, at least an adjunctive prof. at GGBTS.  I very easily looked at GGBTS website to observe the listing of the faculty to look at his credentials.  To my surprise he was not listed at either the full-time or adjunctive positions.  I then went back to his website to view his credentials and do you know my surprise to find that his PhD is from an non-credited seminary.  I went to the seminary website and found <a href="http://www.columbiaseminary.org/aboutus/accreditation.html" rel="nofollow">this explanation</a> for their lack of accreditation.  I am not questioning Columbia Evangelical Seminary&#8217;s,I am merely asking how one can be a prof at an accredited seminary when his PhD does not hold an accreditation.  That is all I have done.  James White is not a Prof at GGBTS.  He may hold a class there every once in a while, but he is not employed by GGBTS as a Prof.</p>
<p>Chris S,</p>
<p>You apparently want to debate me on Twitter and everywhere else, using your own diatribe of something I have never said.  One more time for the record. I have never said that James White did not teach at GGBTS.  I asked how could a person that had no accredited PhD teach at a seminary whose accreditation demands the Prof have accredited degrees.</p>
<p>Matt,</p>
<p>If you choose not to believe I am a pastor and have pastoral duties that is your choice.</p>
<p>To everyone else,</p>
<p>It is overtly evident everyone is responding in this thread for one reason.  They are upset that James White and Dr. Caner did not debate.  Now James White has gotten what he wanted&#8211;a public call out to the Brothers Caner to debate him and he will shut up about these Muslim claims.  Thus, we are no longer discussing this on this post.  If you desire to discuss this, please feel free to do so on your own blogs.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>By: cb scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let me get this straight.

On one blog post Caner is attacked because he is a son of the CR by people who lean to Antinomianism and New Covenant Theology. Here he is being attacked by Calvinists who are angry because he does not embrace their particular way of promoting Calvinism.

Is that about right?

And then there is the fellow who has made a name and gathered a following for himself by chasing Caner around since 2006 because he did not debate him.

BTW, teaching as an adjunct does not mean a great deal in the broad scope of things. Such a person can still be very wrong about things. This I know personally if nothing else.

Byron, remember the admonitions I gave you a few months ago? Go back and read them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me get this straight.</p>
<p>On one blog post Caner is attacked because he is a son of the CR by people who lean to Antinomianism and New Covenant Theology. Here he is being attacked by Calvinists who are angry because he does not embrace their particular way of promoting Calvinism.</p>
<p>Is that about right?</p>
<p>And then there is the fellow who has made a name and gathered a following for himself by chasing Caner around since 2006 because he did not debate him.</p>
<p>BTW, teaching as an adjunct does not mean a great deal in the broad scope of things. Such a person can still be very wrong about things. This I know personally if nothing else.</p>
<p>Byron, remember the admonitions I gave you a few months ago? Go back and read them again.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10845</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another helpful link concerning the Hyper-Calvinism bit. James White links to both Phil Johnson and Tom Ascol, who both deny the charge that James White is a Hyper-Calvinist. Of course, I personally cannot help people come to the right conclusion, but I can say all the evidence is out there.

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=2993</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another helpful link concerning the Hyper-Calvinism bit. James White links to both Phil Johnson and Tom Ascol, who both deny the charge that James White is a Hyper-Calvinist. Of course, I personally cannot help people come to the right conclusion, but I can say all the evidence is out there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=2993" rel="nofollow">http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=2993</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ivory</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10844</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ivory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. White has debated some of the foremost critics of the Bible and the Christian faith.  He debates (meaning he actually meets them in a public forum in front of an audience and video cameras) Muslims on their own turf, taking the time to learn their Scriptures and the Arabic language so he can interact with the best they have to offer.  He takes the Gospel to people wherever they are and I will bet that he has done more open air evangelism than any of the people on this website who want to label him a hyper-Calvinist.  Let Dr. Caner bring forth the evidence that he has done likewise and I know Dr. White will gladly retract the claim that Dr. Caner is not being truthful.

Additionally, the claim that he is &#039;obsessed&#039; with debating the Caner brothers is simply silly.  White was responding to an accusation launched by Ergun Caner.  If Dr. Caner had simply let the matter lie, and would stop claiming that he will debate &quot;anyone, anywhere&quot;, I don&#039;t think Dr. White would waste his time talking about him.  The record is clear and available to all.  If you don&#039;t want White to keep pointing out the obvious, then don&#039;t make indefensible claims in the public arena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. White has debated some of the foremost critics of the Bible and the Christian faith.  He debates (meaning he actually meets them in a public forum in front of an audience and video cameras) Muslims on their own turf, taking the time to learn their Scriptures and the Arabic language so he can interact with the best they have to offer.  He takes the Gospel to people wherever they are and I will bet that he has done more open air evangelism than any of the people on this website who want to label him a hyper-Calvinist.  Let Dr. Caner bring forth the evidence that he has done likewise and I know Dr. White will gladly retract the claim that Dr. Caner is not being truthful.</p>
<p>Additionally, the claim that he is &#8216;obsessed&#8217; with debating the Caner brothers is simply silly.  White was responding to an accusation launched by Ergun Caner.  If Dr. Caner had simply let the matter lie, and would stop claiming that he will debate &#8220;anyone, anywhere&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think Dr. White would waste his time talking about him.  The record is clear and available to all.  If you don&#8217;t want White to keep pointing out the obvious, then don&#8217;t make indefensible claims in the public arena.</p>
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		<title>By: AKuyper</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator>AKuyper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course if one redefines (yes, redefines) &quot;debate&quot; to mean what Caner and his defenders want it to mean (which is, as has been demonstrated, contrary to the way the word is typically understood), then what Caner constantly boasts of concerning &quot;debates&quot; turns out to not really be that impressive afterall. All sorts of people have informal discussions with adherents of other religions all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course if one redefines (yes, redefines) &#8220;debate&#8221; to mean what Caner and his defenders want it to mean (which is, as has been demonstrated, contrary to the way the word is typically understood), then what Caner constantly boasts of concerning &#8220;debates&#8221; turns out to not really be that impressive afterall. All sorts of people have informal discussions with adherents of other religions all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: cb scott</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10842</link>
		<dc:creator>cb scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can attest that I have never used the word “debate” to mean anything other than the proper definition. You see, I believe that words have meaning and we cannot create meaning to suit ourselves. The meaning of “debate” is not an informal discussion with another. That is called a “conversation.” Even semantic range does not allow your definition.&quot;

Daniel,

I was not actually in reference to a personal definition of mine. I was saying Caner may have been using the word &quot;debate&quot; as it is used in Scripture. Maybe Caner thinks biblically in his conversations. But what do I know. After all I am just momma&#039;s little boy. But I have moved out of her basement.

Nonetheless, I yield to you in your ability to read Caner&#039;s mind. After all, you are The Great Carnac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can attest that I have never used the word “debate” to mean anything other than the proper definition. You see, I believe that words have meaning and we cannot create meaning to suit ourselves. The meaning of “debate” is not an informal discussion with another. That is called a “conversation.” Even semantic range does not allow your definition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>I was not actually in reference to a personal definition of mine. I was saying Caner may have been using the word &#8220;debate&#8221; as it is used in Scripture. Maybe Caner thinks biblically in his conversations. But what do I know. After all I am just momma&#8217;s little boy. But I have moved out of her basement.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I yield to you in your ability to read Caner&#8217;s mind. After all, you are The Great Carnac.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Tripp</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2010/02/20/the-cost-of-following-christ/#comment-10841</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane Tripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3772

Dr. White responds to this blog posting in his own words.</description>
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<p>Dr. White responds to this blog posting in his own words.</p>
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