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		<title>By: Tim Rogers</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2009/12/23/biblically-centered-distinctively-baptist/#comment-10301</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother CB,

You seem to forget that there is more than one team in NC.  While I live in the Tarheel state I pull for Wake Forest&#039;s Deamon Deacons.  No, we do not have power houses every year in Basketball and Football, but when we do it is sweet.

As for our Brother Brad, the last time I saw him he had his right hand swinging in a half circle fashion with his pinky hooked saying something like &quot;hook&#039;m horns&quot; whatever that means. :)

Blessings,
Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother CB,</p>
<p>You seem to forget that there is more than one team in NC.  While I live in the Tarheel state I pull for Wake Forest&#8217;s Deamon Deacons.  No, we do not have power houses every year in Basketball and Football, but when we do it is sweet.</p>
<p>As for our Brother Brad, the last time I saw him he had his right hand swinging in a half circle fashion with his pinky hooked saying something like &#8220;hook&#8217;m horns&#8221; whatever that means. :)</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>By: cb scott</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2009/12/23/biblically-centered-distinctively-baptist/#comment-10300</link>
		<dc:creator>cb scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

I trust you have had a blessed Christmas and are experiencing a wonderful New Year&#039;s Day.

I noticed you did not respond to the factual comment I put up about you being a TAR HEEL and the Yankees beating you.

Casey&#039;s comment is true. Many of these type folks post over at an OKlahoma blog site. Of course some of them are not very young. I took on an older lying liberal over there named Gene on a post entitled &quot;CHRISTMAS 2009...&quot;, It has 330 comments on it. It is interesting reading (especially the last 100 comments or so) if you get a chance while you are eating leftover turkey and ham and wishing you were part of the SABANATION.

Have you heard for Brad? I know he is shaking in his boots because he knows the TIDE is coming in. :-)

cb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I trust you have had a blessed Christmas and are experiencing a wonderful New Year&#8217;s Day.</p>
<p>I noticed you did not respond to the factual comment I put up about you being a TAR HEEL and the Yankees beating you.</p>
<p>Casey&#8217;s comment is true. Many of these type folks post over at an OKlahoma blog site. Of course some of them are not very young. I took on an older lying liberal over there named Gene on a post entitled &#8220;CHRISTMAS 2009&#8230;&#8221;, It has 330 comments on it. It is interesting reading (especially the last 100 comments or so) if you get a chance while you are eating leftover turkey and ham and wishing you were part of the SABANATION.</p>
<p>Have you heard for Brad? I know he is shaking in his boots because he knows the TIDE is coming in. :-)</p>
<p>cb</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother CB,

I Amen your statement.  Brother Casey has certainly shot the center out with that statement.

Blessings,
Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother CB,</p>
<p>I Amen your statement.  Brother Casey has certainly shot the center out with that statement.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>By: cb scott</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2009/12/23/biblically-centered-distinctively-baptist/#comment-10298</link>
		<dc:creator>cb scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment number 79 is the &quot;money statement&quot; of this entire comment thread.

I don&#039;t know who Casey is but his/her analysis is clear and a TEN RING at 1000 yards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment number 79 is the &#8220;money statement&#8221; of this entire comment thread.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who Casey is but his/her analysis is clear and a TEN RING at 1000 yards.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;new liberalism&quot; is raising its &#039;head&#039; in our educational institutions. We used the word &#039;inerrantist&#039; in the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s...it was clear what it meant and what you stood for. There were some automatic assumptions on most of your beliefs. Now come the &#039;young emergents&#039; who claim to be inerrantists and conservative...when they are neither. Unfortunately they have fooled many and re-defined the word to their liking...in fact, claiming a superior knowledge of what secondary and tertiary issues are. In fact, they are watering down the gospel and destructing the conservative resurgence...sadly many of our leaders are too busy and just watching this happen. If we don&#039;t get a grip on it and get back to the basics the SBC will be lost in 8 short years and all the CR gains will be lost...the need for a SECOND CONSERVATIVE RESURGENCE shows its need more and more lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;new liberalism&#8221; is raising its &#8216;head&#8217; in our educational institutions. We used the word &#8216;inerrantist&#8217; in the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s&#8230;it was clear what it meant and what you stood for. There were some automatic assumptions on most of your beliefs. Now come the &#8216;young emergents&#8217; who claim to be inerrantists and conservative&#8230;when they are neither. Unfortunately they have fooled many and re-defined the word to their liking&#8230;in fact, claiming a superior knowledge of what secondary and tertiary issues are. In fact, they are watering down the gospel and destructing the conservative resurgence&#8230;sadly many of our leaders are too busy and just watching this happen. If we don&#8217;t get a grip on it and get back to the basics the SBC will be lost in 8 short years and all the CR gains will be lost&#8230;the need for a SECOND CONSERVATIVE RESURGENCE shows its need more and more lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2009/12/23/biblically-centered-distinctively-baptist/#comment-10296</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Tim,

BDW seems like a nice young man....I don&#039;t think this conversation has qualified anyone to wear the liberal hat.  :)

Wish you the best for 2010!

-Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Tim,</p>
<p>BDW seems like a nice young man&#8230;.I don&#8217;t think this conversation has qualified anyone to wear the liberal hat.  :)</p>
<p>Wish you the best for 2010!</p>
<p>-Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother BDW,

What a way to end 2009--an atta boy from my favorite Moderate.  :)

You said it very well.  The mission of a seminary and a Christian University are not the same missions.

As for the creationist and ID guys.  Yes, TMC did get Wise from SBTS.  I believe Dembski is still at SWBTS.  As for what SB are?  Dysfunctional! :)

We are a succinct group that believe the Scriptures contain the inerrant infallible word of God.  Where it is literal, we believe it literally.  Where it is allegorical we believe it allegorically.  Defining the two is where we have differences and where we debate.

I pray you have a Happy New Year.

Brother Chris,

I told you that you were going to call me a liberal.  BDW and I are in agreement.  :)

I am about to lose my internet connection, so all of you have a Happy New Year.

Blessings,
Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother BDW,</p>
<p>What a way to end 2009&#8211;an atta boy from my favorite Moderate.  :)</p>
<p>You said it very well.  The mission of a seminary and a Christian University are not the same missions.</p>
<p>As for the creationist and ID guys.  Yes, TMC did get Wise from SBTS.  I believe Dembski is still at SWBTS.  As for what SB are?  Dysfunctional! :)</p>
<p>We are a succinct group that believe the Scriptures contain the inerrant infallible word of God.  Where it is literal, we believe it literally.  Where it is allegorical we believe it allegorically.  Defining the two is where we have differences and where we debate.</p>
<p>I pray you have a Happy New Year.</p>
<p>Brother Chris,</p>
<p>I told you that you were going to call me a liberal.  BDW and I are in agreement.  :)</p>
<p>I am about to lose my internet connection, so all of you have a Happy New Year.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Baptist Theologue</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2009/12/23/biblically-centered-distinctively-baptist/#comment-10294</link>
		<dc:creator>Baptist Theologue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you said,

&quot;I just wonder if this, as a requirement, is not going to place a lot of undue pressure on those without the gift of evangelism, or discipleship. Every Christian has gifts, but some have gifts more geared toward support for their brothers and sisters, or helping, or cooking, or teaching, or something that does not involve witnessing. . . . I do not see how a class like this, especially as a required subject, can possibly take into account the various &#039;spheres of influence&#039; operative in the lives of Christians gifted in different ways.&quot;

You mentioned helping and cooking.  Such activities can certainly be used to build relationships with lost folks so that they will be more receptive to the witness, but the witness still must share the plan of salvation with the lost folks.  The word &quot;evangelize&quot; (used twice in Romans 10:15) comes from the Greek verb &quot;??????????&quot; which means to share good news (especially the gospel).  We cannot do evangelism without sharing the gospel.  We cannot obey the Great Commission without doing evangelism.  Evangelism is an act of obedience for all Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you said,</p>
<p>&#8220;I just wonder if this, as a requirement, is not going to place a lot of undue pressure on those without the gift of evangelism, or discipleship. Every Christian has gifts, but some have gifts more geared toward support for their brothers and sisters, or helping, or cooking, or teaching, or something that does not involve witnessing. . . . I do not see how a class like this, especially as a required subject, can possibly take into account the various &#8216;spheres of influence&#8217; operative in the lives of Christians gifted in different ways.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mentioned helping and cooking.  Such activities can certainly be used to build relationships with lost folks so that they will be more receptive to the witness, but the witness still must share the plan of salvation with the lost folks.  The word &#8220;evangelize&#8221; (used twice in Romans 10:15) comes from the Greek verb &#8220;??????????&#8221; which means to share good news (especially the gospel).  We cannot do evangelism without sharing the gospel.  We cannot obey the Great Commission without doing evangelism.  Evangelism is an act of obedience for all Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: John Fariss</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Fariss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BT,

You said, &quot;Hopefully we agree that the Great Commission is for every Christian.&quot;  Agreed.  100%

You also said, &quot;We probably also agree that every Christian will not be a professional evangelist who conducts revival meetings on a regular basis, etc. All Christians, however, are empowered to be witnesses (Acts 1:8), and in that sense they are to be evangelists in their spheres of influence.&quot;  again, agreed, 100%.  And therein lies the rub: for I do not see how a class like this, especially as a required subject, can possibly take into account the various &quot;spheres of influence&quot; operative in the lives of Christians gifted in different ways.

Tim,

I don&#039;t remember either.  It must have been awfully important.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BT,</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;Hopefully we agree that the Great Commission is for every Christian.&#8221;  Agreed.  100%</p>
<p>You also said, &#8220;We probably also agree that every Christian will not be a professional evangelist who conducts revival meetings on a regular basis, etc. All Christians, however, are empowered to be witnesses (Acts 1:8), and in that sense they are to be evangelists in their spheres of influence.&#8221;  again, agreed, 100%.  And therein lies the rub: for I do not see how a class like this, especially as a required subject, can possibly take into account the various &#8220;spheres of influence&#8221; operative in the lives of Christians gifted in different ways.</p>
<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember either.  It must have been awfully important.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always fun to discuss these academic games....  and who would of imagined...Tim and BDW are Together for the Evangelism (T4E)task of not having any such course required for colleges founded upon biblical principles.

I have always liked the motto and mission of what was a well founded institution, now fallen on more relevant times....Harvard.

&quot;Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the maine end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life (John 17:3) and therefore to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisedome, Let every one seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seeke it of him (Prov. 2:3).&quot;

Not sure if Harvard can ever return to those well founded days....they too probably think it is a bit &quot;coercive&quot; to tell the truth of God as a requirement of academic life.

What&#039;s even more bizzare though is we are having those same struggles at this time in our American history... simply talking, not even doing as Harvard did... about requiring students to know the facts concerning the gospel of God.

Here is where Harvard was back in 2007 according to the Daily Free Press….

“A preliminary report by the Task Force on General Education at Harvard proposed the school introduce a required religion course based in &quot;Reason and Faith&quot; last October, but by December, the faculty committee changed the category to &quot;Culture and Belief&quot; -- which would not be religion-based -- according to a Feb. 7 article in the Harvard Crimson.
Faculty members will further discuss the proposal at a meeting next Tuesday and will vote on it on a date not yet determined, said Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences spokesman Robert Mitchell.
BU religion department chairman Stephen Prothero, who recently completed the book Religious Literacy, in which he argues for teaching world religions to public middle school and high school students, criticized the university&#039;s choice to exclude religion from its requirements.
&quot;I think Harvard dropped the ball,&quot; he said, calling it a &quot;scandal&quot; to allow students to graduate without taking religion courses.
&quot;I don&#039;t think colleges like BU and elsewhere should be certifying those students as well-educated if they don&#039;t have the most rudimentary understanding of religion,&quot; Prothero added. “

Maybe Baylor and TMC can grow up to be like Harvard someday.....

Blessings,
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always fun to discuss these academic games&#8230;.  and who would of imagined&#8230;Tim and BDW are Together for the Evangelism (T4E)task of not having any such course required for colleges founded upon biblical principles.</p>
<p>I have always liked the motto and mission of what was a well founded institution, now fallen on more relevant times&#8230;.Harvard.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the maine end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life (John 17:3) and therefore to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisedome, Let every one seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seeke it of him (Prov. 2:3).&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure if Harvard can ever return to those well founded days&#8230;.they too probably think it is a bit &#8220;coercive&#8221; to tell the truth of God as a requirement of academic life.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s even more bizzare though is we are having those same struggles at this time in our American history&#8230; simply talking, not even doing as Harvard did&#8230; about requiring students to know the facts concerning the gospel of God.</p>
<p>Here is where Harvard was back in 2007 according to the Daily Free Press….</p>
<p>“A preliminary report by the Task Force on General Education at Harvard proposed the school introduce a required religion course based in &#8220;Reason and Faith&#8221; last October, but by December, the faculty committee changed the category to &#8220;Culture and Belief&#8221; &#8212; which would not be religion-based &#8212; according to a Feb. 7 article in the Harvard Crimson.<br />
Faculty members will further discuss the proposal at a meeting next Tuesday and will vote on it on a date not yet determined, said Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences spokesman Robert Mitchell.<br />
BU religion department chairman Stephen Prothero, who recently completed the book Religious Literacy, in which he argues for teaching world religions to public middle school and high school students, criticized the university&#8217;s choice to exclude religion from its requirements.<br />
&#8220;I think Harvard dropped the ball,&#8221; he said, calling it a &#8220;scandal&#8221; to allow students to graduate without taking religion courses.<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t think colleges like BU and elsewhere should be certifying those students as well-educated if they don&#8217;t have the most rudimentary understanding of religion,&#8221; Prothero added. “</p>
<p>Maybe Baylor and TMC can grow up to be like Harvard someday&#8230;..</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Chris</p>
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