Jul
16

Agreement with the Episcopal Primate

Posted by Wes Kenney

Fellow pastor and blogger John Quincy Hooks has graciously invited me, along with a couple other members of the SBC Today team, to participate the last two weeks in his internet radio program, Baptist Talk. I appreciate his kindness in inviting us to join him, and I enjoy the wide-ranging discussion that unfolds.

Going into the episode we recorded this week, I knew that John was interested in discussing the statements of the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Katharine Jefferts Schori, statements she made during the opening of the church’s general conference last week in California. I think I caught our host somewhat by surprise when I led off by saying that, based on the article I had read on the bishop’s comments, I agreed with a good portion of what she had to say.

schoriSchori is quoted in the story as saying that the idea that a person can be saved through a sinner’s prayer of repentance is “the great Western heresy: that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God.”

Now I obviously don’t agree with all of the presiding bishop’s sentiments, nor really with the thrust of what she clearly intended to communicate. She is surely lamenting those who have left the Episcopal Church, and suggesting that they are, by that action, cut off from salvation. Now I don’t think she is saying that salvation can only be found in the Episcopal church, but she is pretty clearly suggesting that an individual cannot find salvation outside “community.” I believe that in itself is heresy, convinced as I am by scripture that “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” So let there be no misunderstanding here: in my view, there is much wrong about what the bishop said. But I believe that there is also something right.

In my most recent post, I identified the high value of individualism in our culture as a threat to our proper understanding of what the church ought to be. The danger is that we begin to think that we don’t need the church in order to live in right relationship with God, and it is in this that the bishop’s words resonated with me. In his first epistle, John writes, “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers.” (1 John 3:14 HCSB) I am convinced that what John is referring to here is the fellowship of the church, and that one of the evidences of regeneration in the life of the believer is the desire to be in fellowship with God’s people in the local church.

No doubt the presiding bishop would get this exactly backwards. Her paraphrase of the verse quoted above would likely be something along the lines of, “If we love the brothers, we will be able to pass from death to life.” Of course, she would mean something entirely different by life, something entirely different by death, and in no case would she ever use the word “brothers.” But I think that is the essence of what she would teach on this subject, that salvation is found only as one finds his or her place in community with others. This, I believe, is the great error in what she says.

But I do appreciate her identification of the idea “that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God” as “the great Western heresy.” Please understand that in my agreement with this sentiment, I am not simply recycling Cyprian. I reject the idea, contained in his work De unitate ecclesiae, that “He can no longer have God for his Father who has not the Church for his mother.” We do not receive our salvation from the church, but rather through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross at Calvary. It is possible for someone, having heard the gospel, to come to saving faith in Christ, yet refuse to be obedient by joining a church. But we give evidence of our salvation when we joyfully enter into covenant relationship with God’s people in the local church, and those who would refuse to do so have every reason to wonder whether they have truly “passed from death to life.”

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1

Matthew Henry writes this in his commentary concerning 1 John 3:14

We should love the Lord Jesus, value his love, and therefore love all our brethren in Christ. This love is the special fruit of our faith, and a certain sign of our being born again. But none who rightly know the heart of man, can wonder at the contempt and enmity of ungodly people against the children of God. We know that we are passed from death to life: we may know it by the evidences of our faith in Christ, of which love to our brethren is one. It is not zeal for a party in the common religion, or affection for those who are of the same name and sentiments with ourselves. The life of grace in the heart of a regenerate person, is the beginning and first principle of a life of glory, whereof they must be destitute who hate their brother in their hearts.

I agree. This passage is speaking of the Universal church, not just the local church. It is speaking of individuals, not the love of going to a local church. That is narrowing it in my opinion. Although I don’t disagree with you, the way the churches are today with infighting and splits, I don’t know if I would go so far as to say that not wanting to join a local church proves one to be a non-Christian.

Love for Christ and others is the fruit of salvation.

2

Wes:

I agree. Western individualism has shaped much of evangelical Christianity in ways that are not positive, and unfortunately many have an inadequate view of, and commitment to the corporate body of Christ.

It is not my understanding that Anglicans believe that salvation can only be found in the Anglican church, although I could be wrong. Is it possible that you are misinterpreting that particular comment? I wonder if you were to sit down with her and discuss it, you might find your views were closer than we think?

3

Great article, Wes. I have enjoyed our talks and I look forward to more!

4

Debbie,

Thanks for your comment; you offer some important points to consider. One of the hermeneutical principles by which I try to operate is the understanding that the text cannot mean to us today what it did not mean to those to whom it was originally written. Thus, I’m not sure I can agree with your statement that “This passage is speaking of the Universal church, not just the local church.” When the words “love our brothers” first hit the ears of those in the first-century churches of Asia Minor, I’m not sure they would have thought immediately of all Christians everywhere, but more likely the people with whom they were gathered at that moment. So while I would not reject out of hand an application to a “Universal church” in that we ought to evidence love for all who name the name of Christ, I believe that this is, first and foremost, applied to the local church of which every believer ought to be a part.

But if I can agree with the head of the Episcopal Church, I can certainly express agreement with you, and I certainly embrace your last sentence: “Love for Christ and others is the fruit of salvation.”

:-)

Thanks for your comment.

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Bill,

Thanks for your comment. I’m certain you’re right, that Schori would never suggest that salvation is only for Episcopals. If I suggested she believed that, I was wrong to do so, and have made a minor update to the original post in an effort to make that more clear. Though this is a case where, though we may be using the same words (i.e. salvation, community, etc.), we mean such different things by them that meaningful conversation would be rather challenging.

Really, the only point of agreement is that we both recognize that an individualist focus seems to be a peculiarly western phenomenon, and that it is often incompatible with Biblical faith. But sadly, as we have seen over the days of their General Conference, so now is the Episcopal Church.

6

Hey Wes,

Its one thing to agree with a portion of speech…. but please, if I have the privilege of coming to fellowship with your church and hear you preach the word, I hope I won’t see you in a multi-colored suit with a head dress and staff.

cb might like that type of thing…but I’m still mulling it over.

You do make a good point in the post….

Blessings,
Chris

7

Chris,

I really only wrote this post as an excuse to post the picture of that sweet mitre. Don’t be hatin’…

;-)

8

Wes,

We are in gereral agreement that (1) in the western world, we have an invididualistic orientation and thus a lens of interpretation that was largely unknown to the Scriptural writers, and (2) that Bishop Schori goes farther than I am confortable with.

But my question is in regard to a comment you made to Debbie, “One of the hermeneutical principles by which I try to operate is the understanding that the text cannot mean to us today what it did not mean to those to whom it was originally written.” Can you unpack that a little more? It would seem to me that it is necessary to understand the meaning of the text for its original audience before we can understand its meaning for us; and I think I would agree that the meaning for one set of people cannot be the diametric opposite of what it means for another. But the way you phrase this seems to be more restrictive than that. I’d luike to udnerstand exactly what you mean, and where you are coming from with this. Thanks,

John

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John,

First of all, rules are made to be broken, thus, this is a general principle only, and will not hold in all cases. Second, I’m not sure that it is developed in my own mind much beyond what I wrote above. :)

It really is born out of an experience I had of serving on staff for several years with a dispensationalist preacher. The idea conjured by the word “dogmatic” would be far, far too gentle to describe this pastor’s beliefs regarding eschatology, and it seemed to me that he had to bend so many verses to fit his scheme that I am possibly too biased toward the message to the original audience as a result, but here I am.

An example would be Ezekiel 39:6, which reads in the KJV (!):

And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

My former pastor dogmatically asserted that, in this verse, there is biblical proof that there is coming a nuclear war between the United States and Russia.

I could cite many (many, ad infinitum, ad nauseum…) more examples, but it is out of this background that I have determined to lean strongly toward what the inspired biblical author intended to communicate to his target audience. As I said, I’m not saying it is altogether well-developed in my own mind, but I hope this explanation at least shows where I’m coming from.

Thanks for your comment.

10

Wes,

Do you know where one might be able to purchase one of those hats? I would really love to own one for myself.

Thanks so much for any help that you might be able to give.

David

11

David,

Here you go. Knock yourself out. But be warned: they’re a little pricey…

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Wes: I agree with your method of interpretation. I too attempt to interpret the passage based on what the original writers of the passage are saying. There were other Christians all over, the message wasn’t just for the Jews but Jew and Gentile. Something that was not accepted. It was for men, women, children. This is what I think the passage is referring to along with people of the local assembly. But it wasn’t referring to belonging to a local church, but loving Christians everywhere. Even those whose ethnicity or gender bothered them.

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