Comments on: 2009 SBC Annual Meeting Review, Part 3 http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3 A forum for Baptists to dialogue about how best to fulfill God’s calling in our lives. Mon, 21 May 2012 23:41:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: John Fariss http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8762 John Fariss Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:23:48 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8762 Chris, You wrote, "Feelings are never the originator, thinking is." Are you saying that if we refuse to think a thoiught, or surpress it, we will never feel it? That feelings are a by-product of the conscious though process, and never independent from it? If so, what is your authority (Scriptural or otherwise) for that? If not, exactly what are you saying here? I'm confused. John Chris,

You wrote, “Feelings are never the originator, thinking is.” Are you saying that if we refuse to think a thoiught, or surpress it, we will never feel it? That feelings are a by-product of the conscious though process, and never independent from it? If so, what is your authority (Scriptural or otherwise) for that? If not, exactly what are you saying here? I’m confused.

John

]]> By: Scott Gordon http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8761 Scott Gordon Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:42:53 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8761 Kevin, I agree with your concerns regarding LifeWay and our seminaries. We need to be consistent in all areas of cooperation and involvement with others in our Evangelical circle. I pray that Mark Driscoll and the Acts 29 network will continue to distance themselves from dangerous practices, much like Driscoll has done with those in the Emergent movement. While I am not a 'Baptist only' for the books we carry in our LifeWay Stores, I do believe we need to practice more <i>discernment</i> with what authors we advocate by putting them on our shelves. Sola Gratia! Kevin,

I agree with your concerns regarding LifeWay and our seminaries. We need to be consistent in all areas of cooperation and involvement with others in our Evangelical circle.

I pray that Mark Driscoll and the Acts 29 network will continue to distance themselves from dangerous practices, much like Driscoll has done with those in the Emergent movement.

While I am not a ‘Baptist only’ for the books we carry in our LifeWay Stores, I do believe we need to practice more discernment with what authors we advocate by putting them on our shelves.

Sola Gratia!

]]> By: Bart Barber http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8760 Bart Barber Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:25:14 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8760 Kevin, I like your random thoughts. I hope that others in influence will read them and take note. Kevin,

I like your random thoughts. I hope that others in influence will read them and take note.

]]> By: Big Daddy Weave http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8759 Big Daddy Weave Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:19:19 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8759 Joe Blackmon, Are you Joe B. over on my blog? Must not be. Joe Blackmon,

Are you Joe B. over on my blog? Must not be.

]]> By: Joe Blackmon http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8758 Joe Blackmon Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:24 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8758 Of course, when mainstream baptists call for a dialogue on homosexuality they mean "How can we avoid actually doing anything about it". Of course, when mainstream baptists call for a dialogue on homosexuality they mean “How can we avoid actually doing anything about it”.

]]> By: Kevin Hanel http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8757 Kevin Hanel Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:08:38 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8757 Bart I agree with you. I think that the SBC and Driscoll should go their seperate ways. I did not think it was right the way the Executive committee seemed to take up for Driscoll and also for TD Jakes. I think both SEBTS and Lifeway should not be associtating with people so controversial and also who have views that do not align with the BF&M as Jakes does not. As a Southern Baptist Pastor when I am asked by people where I recomend them to go get books I believe I should be able to say withou reservation go to Lifeway however with Jakes among others I have seen sold there it is hard to do. I also have what I believe is part of the answer for the GCR thing lets quit just putting all our emphasis on baptism and do what the rest of the Great Commision says and that is to make disciples. Since I was a kid I have heard alot of emphasis on baptism which I agree we must evangelize but we must not stop there. We need to teach them to love Jesus and to obey His commands. My other concern is that the task force outside of the ones from the agencies are all from the south and if I am not wrong they are all from big churches. What works in the south does not work in other part of the country. Also what works in a big church does not neccesarily work in small to medium size churches. Just a few random thoughts Bart I agree with you. I think that the SBC and Driscoll should go their seperate ways. I did not think it was right the way the Executive committee seemed to take up for Driscoll and also for TD Jakes. I think both SEBTS and Lifeway should not be associtating with people so controversial and also who have views that do not align with the BF&M as Jakes does not. As a Southern Baptist Pastor when I am asked by people where I recomend them to go get books I believe I should be able to say withou reservation go to Lifeway however with Jakes among others I have seen sold there it is hard to do. I also have what I believe is part of the answer for the GCR thing lets quit just putting all our emphasis on baptism and do what the rest of the Great Commision says and that is to make disciples. Since I was a kid I have heard alot of emphasis on baptism which I agree we must evangelize but we must not stop there. We need to teach them to love Jesus and to obey His commands. My other concern is that the task force outside of the ones from the agencies are all from the south and if I am not wrong they are all from big churches. What works in the south does not work in other part of the country. Also what works in a big church does not neccesarily work in small to medium size churches.
Just a few random thoughts

]]> By: Big Daddy Weave http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8756 Big Daddy Weave Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:03:17 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8756 I can't speak to what Marv had in mind with his call for a conversation other than for Baptists to simply discuss the subject. As I wrote on my blog, I affirm Marv's call for a conversation. My call for a conversation is not necessarily directed towards Texas Baptists in the BGCT but towards Fellowship Baptists. Obviously, there are a number of Texas Baptists that are also Fellowship Baptists. However, I would insist that any honest, fruitful dialogue/conversation on homosexuality include multiple perspectives in order to reflect the diverse theological viewpoints that does indeed exist among those in the CBF fold. I can at least admire the SBC for not dodging the issue. As an aside, I am constantly impressed by Chris Johnson's ability to discuss homosexuality with a rather liberal friend of mine. Chris is polite, uses a kind tone, and always has a positive attitude even when voicing strong disagreement. I can’t speak to what Marv had in mind with his call for a conversation other than for Baptists to simply discuss the subject.

As I wrote on my blog, I affirm Marv’s call for a conversation. My call for a conversation is not necessarily directed towards Texas Baptists in the BGCT but towards Fellowship Baptists. Obviously, there are a number of Texas Baptists that are also Fellowship Baptists.

However, I would insist that any honest, fruitful dialogue/conversation on homosexuality include multiple perspectives in order to reflect the diverse theological viewpoints that does indeed exist among those in the CBF fold.

I can at least admire the SBC for not dodging the issue.

As an aside, I am constantly impressed by Chris Johnson’s ability to discuss homosexuality with a rather liberal friend of mine. Chris is polite, uses a kind tone, and always has a positive attitude even when voicing strong disagreement.

]]> By: Chris Johnson http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8755 Chris Johnson Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:59:43 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8755 Brother Bart, My intention concerning the "feelings" aspect, is to include the full rescue for the homosexual or any other sinner for that matter to the higher understanding of the fulfillment aspects of the law by Christ. The renewing of the mind. When a mind is renewed by the Holy Spirit, it is changed to know Christ more fully. I do agree with you that "actionable matters" are clearly only those where an offense is borne out...which is very important to understand, because the response is love and restoration. btw,...is Southwestern having another Baptist Distinctives conf. this year.... The last one was pretty good...I'd like to come that way again. Blessings, Chris Brother Bart,

My intention concerning the “feelings” aspect, is to include the full rescue for the homosexual or any other sinner for that matter to the higher understanding of the fulfillment aspects of the law by Christ. The renewing of the mind. When a mind is renewed by the Holy Spirit, it is changed to know Christ more fully. I do agree with you that “actionable matters” are clearly only those where an offense is borne out…which is very important to understand, because the response is love and restoration.

btw,…is Southwestern having another Baptist Distinctives conf. this year…. The last one was pretty good…I’d like to come that way again.

Blessings,
Chris

]]> By: Bart Barber http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8754 Bart Barber Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:49:52 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8754 But how profound is your closing sentence: Simple repentance is the answer. But how profound is your closing sentence: Simple repentance is the answer.

]]> By: Bart Barber http://sbctoday.com/2009/07/13/2009-sbc-annual-meeting-review-part-3/#comment-8753 Bart Barber Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:48:55 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/?p=1260#comment-8753 Chris, I agree that the feeling of homosexual attraction is inherent to the sin-nature. You do well to point us to that fact. However, I do believe that there is a difference between homosexual attraction on the one hand and homosexual activity on the other hand. The former, if resisted and kept in abeyance, is no matter to be subject to church discipline, IMHO. The latter, however, if absent contrite repentance and submission to the Lordship of Christ, the Head of the church, is (to borrow my own terminology from above) "actionable" for the church. Chris,

I agree that the feeling of homosexual attraction is inherent to the sin-nature. You do well to point us to that fact. However, I do believe that there is a difference between homosexual attraction on the one hand and homosexual activity on the other hand. The former, if resisted and kept in abeyance, is no matter to be subject to church discipline, IMHO. The latter, however, if absent contrite repentance and submission to the Lordship of Christ, the Head of the church, is (to borrow my own terminology from above) “actionable” for the church.

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