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	<title>Comments on: Does Your Church Celebrate the 4th?</title>
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		<title>By: Mary Castle</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2008/07/03/does-your-church-celebrate-the-4th/comment-page-1/#comment-10497</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Castle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will admit that the phrase, &quot;backsliding Baptist&quot; does apply to me. But as I read the previous posts from a past 4th of July, I was struck that I found a Baptist &#039;blog&#039; -- and, I think, a Southern Baptist one, at that, among the sites that I was searching for info regarding the Christmas Day Crossing of the Delaware in 2009.  My husband was the director of that historic location and it was the only day HE AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF, HAD TO REPORT TO WORK! 
I think that, while I agree with many who posted here, some have forgotten that one part of General Washington&#039;s meeting with his generals and others before that momentous endeavor they were to undertake, also included a Prayer by the General asking for God&#039;s blessing and leadership as he and that brave band of men set out on that storm tossed night to accomplish a feat, that, I believe, without God&#039;s hand leading those boats across that treacherous river that night, we might not have the freedoms we do today!  
I had the opportunity for 6 years to watch as that crossing was reenacted each year (both the practise and the Big event on Christmas day), I know that there was a prayer offered up to God at the conclusion of the instructions each year.  And while it might not seem so important to honor and remember that terrible night, had it not happened, perhaps we would not be able to share these thoughts with each other any time we want!  I do see the hand of God as General Washington led his troops across --- just as, I might add, God&#039;s hand guided a band of 50 or more people who risked their lives in the late 1990&#039;s in an attempt to save the modern day replicas of those boats.  It was the end of January and bad weather meant that the small fleet was still in the water!  But that Saturday night, an ice jam broke at the Delaware Water Gap, and the boats were in serious jeopardy!  Volunteers from the area and other historic sites miles away showed up to do all they could to save the &quot;boats&quot;.  And I do believe the hand of God was guiding those individuals as they risked their own lives to save replicas of General Washington&#039;s boats.

Seems that some individuals who have posted previously have forgotten that without those brave men and women, who down through the ages, have risked and many given their lives so that WE CAN ATTEND the worship service of our choice --- God was there guiding our troups and the officers who risked everything so we could have the freedom to worship as we see fit and as we chose.   Freedom of religion has been a guiding force behind the tenets of this country from the beginning, and I think we should remember to thank God for giving us this land --- we don&#039;t have to agree with all that our leaders do, but we do need to remember and ask God to guide us all both in preserving our freedom and worshipping him so that we might Glorify him to the world.
Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will admit that the phrase, &#8220;backsliding Baptist&#8221; does apply to me. But as I read the previous posts from a past 4th of July, I was struck that I found a Baptist &#8216;blog&#8217; &#8212; and, I think, a Southern Baptist one, at that, among the sites that I was searching for info regarding the Christmas Day Crossing of the Delaware in 2009.  My husband was the director of that historic location and it was the only day HE AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF, HAD TO REPORT TO WORK!<br />
I think that, while I agree with many who posted here, some have forgotten that one part of General Washington&#8217;s meeting with his generals and others before that momentous endeavor they were to undertake, also included a Prayer by the General asking for God&#8217;s blessing and leadership as he and that brave band of men set out on that storm tossed night to accomplish a feat, that, I believe, without God&#8217;s hand leading those boats across that treacherous river that night, we might not have the freedoms we do today!<br />
I had the opportunity for 6 years to watch as that crossing was reenacted each year (both the practise and the Big event on Christmas day), I know that there was a prayer offered up to God at the conclusion of the instructions each year.  And while it might not seem so important to honor and remember that terrible night, had it not happened, perhaps we would not be able to share these thoughts with each other any time we want!  I do see the hand of God as General Washington led his troops across &#8212; just as, I might add, God&#8217;s hand guided a band of 50 or more people who risked their lives in the late 1990&#8217;s in an attempt to save the modern day replicas of those boats.  It was the end of January and bad weather meant that the small fleet was still in the water!  But that Saturday night, an ice jam broke at the Delaware Water Gap, and the boats were in serious jeopardy!  Volunteers from the area and other historic sites miles away showed up to do all they could to save the &#8220;boats&#8221;.  And I do believe the hand of God was guiding those individuals as they risked their own lives to save replicas of General Washington&#8217;s boats.</p>
<p>Seems that some individuals who have posted previously have forgotten that without those brave men and women, who down through the ages, have risked and many given their lives so that WE CAN ATTEND the worship service of our choice &#8212; God was there guiding our troups and the officers who risked everything so we could have the freedom to worship as we see fit and as we chose.   Freedom of religion has been a guiding force behind the tenets of this country from the beginning, and I think we should remember to thank God for giving us this land &#8212; we don&#8217;t have to agree with all that our leaders do, but we do need to remember and ask God to guide us all both in preserving our freedom and worshipping him so that we might Glorify him to the world.<br />
Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
		<link>http://sbctoday.com/2008/07/03/does-your-church-celebrate-the-4th/comment-page-1/#comment-5504</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have all seen services where we wondered if recognition of our national history and accomplishments may have been over-emphasized, yet I do enjoy our corporately &quot;giving a nod&quot; to this temporary land of ours. In a way, aren&#039;t we joining God in His apparent recognition of our country? 

How on Earth could the United States have come to be without the help of Almighty Providence? How could it have survived so long and still protect the freedoms that have survived, unless we see the Hand of God involved throughout?

To simply contrast the heroic selflessness of the men who met in Philadelphia (both times) with the base lust for worldly aggrandizement so much of our leadership has demonstrated since then should thrust home a realization that Jesus Himself breathed goodness into the founding of our nation and its Constitution. 

So, while a church service looks to a heaven filled with justice and light, brief acknowledgements (at Memorial Day and Independence Day?) can remind us that we were never alone in the long history of this country - and I hope that we never are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have all seen services where we wondered if recognition of our national history and accomplishments may have been over-emphasized, yet I do enjoy our corporately &#8220;giving a nod&#8221; to this temporary land of ours. In a way, aren&#8217;t we joining God in His apparent recognition of our country? </p>
<p>How on Earth could the United States have come to be without the help of Almighty Providence? How could it have survived so long and still protect the freedoms that have survived, unless we see the Hand of God involved throughout?</p>
<p>To simply contrast the heroic selflessness of the men who met in Philadelphia (both times) with the base lust for worldly aggrandizement so much of our leadership has demonstrated since then should thrust home a realization that Jesus Himself breathed goodness into the founding of our nation and its Constitution. </p>
<p>So, while a church service looks to a heaven filled with justice and light, brief acknowledgements (at Memorial Day and Independence Day?) can remind us that we were never alone in the long history of this country &#8211; and I hope that we never are!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does not the Bible instruct us to be the best citizens in our country?  Yes we celebrate and try to share the principles we were founded on and motivate to get back to those in our lives.  

Christian? - by the grace of God and sacrfice of Jesus

American? - by the grace of God and sacrifice of many men and women!

I would not want to trade either but I do know which one comes first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does not the Bible instruct us to be the best citizens in our country?  Yes we celebrate and try to share the principles we were founded on and motivate to get back to those in our lives.  </p>
<p>Christian? &#8211; by the grace of God and sacrfice of Jesus</p>
<p>American? &#8211; by the grace of God and sacrifice of many men and women!</p>
<p>I would not want to trade either but I do know which one comes first!</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Brumbelow</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Brumbelow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Debbie.
Hope each of you have a great Lord&#039;s Day.  
David R. Brumbelow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Debbie.<br />
Hope each of you have a great Lord&#8217;s Day.<br />
David R. Brumbelow</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB 

Good to hear from you.

God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB </p>
<p>Good to hear from you.</p>
<p>God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: cb scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank God for the cross and the resurrection.

I know America is not a Christian nation but, I thank God I was born in America.

I thank God for the opportunity to have seen the world and know the difference between America and any other place on earth.

I thank God for the Second Amendment.  I thank God he gave our Forefathers the good sense to write it.  I pray we have the good sense to defend it and keep it.

May all Americans deny self and take up the cross of Christ.

May all Americans wave the flag.

May all Americans be willing to protect this land.

cb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank God for the cross and the resurrection.</p>
<p>I know America is not a Christian nation but, I thank God I was born in America.</p>
<p>I thank God for the opportunity to have seen the world and know the difference between America and any other place on earth.</p>
<p>I thank God for the Second Amendment.  I thank God he gave our Forefathers the good sense to write it.  I pray we have the good sense to defend it and keep it.</p>
<p>May all Americans deny self and take up the cross of Christ.</p>
<p>May all Americans wave the flag.</p>
<p>May all Americans be willing to protect this land.</p>
<p>cb</p>
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		<title>By: irreverned fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>irreverned fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brother Gary...

let me explain what I mean...we&#039;re (the various traditions which preach the one true Biblical Gospel) the true Catholics...they stole our name, or we gave it up...lol...but that is an argument for another day.

the Roman Catholic church is the largest of all apostate religions, they preach &quot;another&quot; Gospel and play on the Satan&#039;s team.  they are &quot;Catholic&quot; in name only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brother Gary&#8230;</p>
<p>let me explain what I mean&#8230;we&#8217;re (the various traditions which preach the one true Biblical Gospel) the true Catholics&#8230;they stole our name, or we gave it up&#8230;lol&#8230;but that is an argument for another day.</p>
<p>the Roman Catholic church is the largest of all apostate religions, they preach &#8220;another&#8221; Gospel and play on the Satan&#8217;s team.  they are &#8220;Catholic&#8221; in name only.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary May</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irreverend Fox,
Surely you did not mean to capitalize Catholic indicating the Roman Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irreverend Fox,<br />
Surely you did not mean to capitalize Catholic indicating the Roman Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Tim,

Our church does not celebrate July 4th in the context of worship on the Lord’s Day, but we have no problem celebrating this July 4th with all our neighbors in the context of God placing us in a country that for the last 200+ years has a reputation for freedom.  There is good and bad living in America, yet certainly one of the great advantages is the freedom afforded everyone to speak and to bear arms.  And certainly that freedom allows us to share the gospel unimpeded and that is a great blessing and duty.

In my mind… July 4th and its implications remind me of a section of scripture and how that an alien righteousness changes the heart of man regardless of the soil to which he or she is born.

Hebrews 11:6-16  “And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.  (7)  By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.”  

Noah was ridiculed by his nation, yet in faith is seen reverencing his God as an heir to an alien righteousness.


(8)  “By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going.  (9)  By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;  (10)  for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.”  

Abraham, when called, left his country by faith, content to live as an alien being an heir to a greater promise.  His faith was not consumed with any allegiance to soil or people, but to a city whose foundation was laid by God.

(11)  “By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised.  (12)  Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN NUMBER, AND INNUMERABLE AS THE SAND WHICH IS BY THE SEASHORE.  (13)  All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.  (14)  For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.  (15)  And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.  (16)  But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.”

Even Sarah demonstrated the sovereign hand of Almighty God to look not to the country that was before, but to the country that followed as she realized just how strange this land really is…..both she and Abraham desire a better country.

May we have the faith of Abraham, Sarah, Enoch, Isaac, Jacob Moses, etc, etc.  and at the same time begin to lose sight of these earthly countries, desiring as those that came before us a better country that God has prepared.

Have a big July 4th!

Blessings,
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Tim,</p>
<p>Our church does not celebrate July 4th in the context of worship on the Lord’s Day, but we have no problem celebrating this July 4th with all our neighbors in the context of God placing us in a country that for the last 200+ years has a reputation for freedom.  There is good and bad living in America, yet certainly one of the great advantages is the freedom afforded everyone to speak and to bear arms.  And certainly that freedom allows us to share the gospel unimpeded and that is a great blessing and duty.</p>
<p>In my mind… July 4th and its implications remind me of a section of scripture and how that an alien righteousness changes the heart of man regardless of the soil to which he or she is born.</p>
<p>Hebrews 11:6-16  “And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.  (7)  By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.”  </p>
<p>Noah was ridiculed by his nation, yet in faith is seen reverencing his God as an heir to an alien righteousness.</p>
<p>(8)  “By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going.  (9)  By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;  (10)  for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.”  </p>
<p>Abraham, when called, left his country by faith, content to live as an alien being an heir to a greater promise.  His faith was not consumed with any allegiance to soil or people, but to a city whose foundation was laid by God.</p>
<p>(11)  “By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised.  (12)  Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN NUMBER, AND INNUMERABLE AS THE SAND WHICH IS BY THE SEASHORE.  (13)  All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.  (14)  For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.  (15)  And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.  (16)  But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.”</p>
<p>Even Sarah demonstrated the sovereign hand of Almighty God to look not to the country that was before, but to the country that followed as she realized just how strange this land really is…..both she and Abraham desire a better country.</p>
<p>May we have the faith of Abraham, Sarah, Enoch, Isaac, Jacob Moses, etc, etc.  and at the same time begin to lose sight of these earthly countries, desiring as those that came before us a better country that God has prepared.</p>
<p>Have a big July 4th!</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: irreverned fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>irreverned fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also make no mistake...I&#039;m extremely grateful for the US, it&#039;s history and am very concerned about it&#039;s future.  I&#039;m a patriot...politically I&#039;m radically right wing and traditional in that way...I firmly believe our nations founders where a bunch of geniuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also make no mistake&#8230;I&#8217;m extremely grateful for the US, it&#8217;s history and am very concerned about it&#8217;s future.  I&#8217;m a patriot&#8230;politically I&#8217;m radically right wing and traditional in that way&#8230;I firmly believe our nations founders where a bunch of geniuses.</p>
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