I would like for someone to tell me when are we as a convention going to get over this idea that any leader has to give 10%+ of their undesignated receipts to the convention? And should their autonomous church choose not to give 10% to the convention why does that preclude them from providing leadership to the convention as a whole? The last time I read through the New Testament it refers to the Kingdom of God and not the Southern Baptist Kingdom.

Instead of looking solely at the percentage given to the CP why don’t we look at total missions investment? Let me remind everyone that the CP is one of may vehicles that we as Southern Baptists support missions. Why don’t we look at Annie Armstrong and Lottie Moon giving, etc.?

For the glory of God lets move beyond this discussion and discuss how God is using and has used the man (whichever you would like) and the church he serves in growing the Kingdom of God and furthering the cause of Chrsit.

If that is the way you feel, fine. I am not challenging you in that, I am just saying that you seem to overlook everything else to say that is all Brother Johnny is doing for the SBC. Besides, isn’t this what Glocalizaton is all about?

Blessings,
Tim

I disagree with your argument concerning the man that pays for youth trips, etc. You should know that giving like that would never work on the national CP level.

That argument only works if a Pastor gives 2.2% and the rest of his missions money to SBC entities which the CP would do for him anyway. In Brother Johnny’s case he doesn’t, a lot of his mission money goes to independent ministries and church plants which is fine for any pastor to do. But i feel that the President of the SBC should model a higher commitment to CP.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Brother Dewayne,

You say; Think what would happen if every church gave just 2.2% to CP. It’s scary. While, he isn’t running for SBC President, we have a man in Texas that is being promoted as the church planting guru of SBC life. Look at his information.

But, I do want to examine your example. I have a member that gives 2.2% of $1M and a member that gives 10% of $225k. If the member that gives 2.2% only gives that and serves along with everyone else, you have a point. However, if the member giving 2.2% gives that along with financing the Youth Trip, along with the Mission Teams, along with the Choir Tour, along with making available funds for anyone called into the ministry to go to school, then your theory would fail, and fail miserably.

Let me remind everyone, that I personally have endorsed Dr. Frank Cox, thus, I find it difficult defending Brother Johnny’s CP record. He will make a fine President for our Convention. On the same hand Dr. Johnny Hunt will also make a find President for our Convention.

Blessings,
Tim

I first met Dr. Hunt when he was Pastor of Long Leaf Baptist Church in Wilmington, NC, in 1985. They had led the state in baptism’s two straight years, and he spoke for only five minutes from the convention platform. I was a journalism student at Wingate College (now University) at the time, and I knew I had to meet this man! He was indeed on fire!

I followed his ministry as he moved to Woodstock in 1986, and as his church has exploded over the past two decades. I’ve visited his church on several ocassions, attended several conferences there, and I’ve benefitted greatly from the Timothy-Barnabas Pastor’s school I attended in 2001.

I often listen to his messages. They are always exegetically sound, never boring, and with the ultimate priority of winning souls and equipping the saints for the work of ministry. The most impressive thing about Johnny Hunt, however, is that he’s never gotten over being saved.

I once heard him say, “I’m glad I’m saved, and I never got over it!” That characteristic is sorely lacking in so many Christian lives today, replaced by cynicism and doubt — even, and perhaps especially, in our pulpits.

I’ve no doubt that God’s hand is on Dr. Johnny Hunt. I’m glad he has been my friend — as he has been to so many others in ministry throughout the years. I can say without reservation that Johnny will be an anointed and humble leader of the SBC, should he be chosen for the task.

Blessings,

J. Dale Weaver, M. Div.

If you had one member in your church that made $1,000,000 and one that made $220,000 and both gave $30,000 to the church, which would you rather be the example to the rest of the congregation (without getting into the biblical responsibility of tithing because I know that someone would say that there is no biblical mandate for the local church to give 10% to the SBC). I believe (my own opinion which sometimes isn’t a very good one) the Pres. of the SBC should be an example for the rest of the pastors in the SBC to follow in every area: missions (Dr. Hunt is), evangelism (Dr. Hunt is), doctrine (Dr. Hunt is), and giving to the Cooperation of Southern Baptist Missions (Dr. Hunt ???). If every SBC church earmarked around 87% of their missions givings the SBC would collapse quickly.

Sorry if I wasted any of you good follks time with this comment, but it has been killing me to get it out there…and now I’m done. Feel free to tear it apart of need be.

One would be Dr. Cox’s church, from a just under $3 million budget. If FBCW gave just 6.7% (half of the percentage of North Metro) they would give $1.2 million. If FBCW gave the same percentage (13.4) that would be $2.5 million, if they just gave 10% it would be $1.8 million. Do you see the difference? CP is the fuel that makes the convention run. I love to hear Dr. Hunt preach, and I am sure that he does a lot of good things. But there is a big difference between his 393k and his buddy from 49 miles down the road’s 393k. Think what would happen if every church gave just 2.2% to CP. It’s scary.

Thanks for the kind response.