i guess chapels dont have hearts, either.

david

Denominations don’t have hearts. People have hearts. What you are saying is that the people of this denomination do not have their hearts right with God.

In that case, the answer is for each of us, individually, to get our hearts right and our priorities in order.

Humility and repentance, not arrogance and condemnation, are the solution.

That is awesome!

Sola Gratia!

You are correct, the bottom line is that pastors are not setting the example.

Brother Bart Barber on his blog challenged all bloggers to a certain criteria before blogging. You can read about it here. I told him that I would not go for ten, but count me in for three. Tonight I shared the gospel with 5 people and two gave their hearts to Jesus Christ.

Let’s just all get on the ball personally witnessing to people about Jesus that are out there. Oh, this was a knock on a door as a result of a Block Party sponsored at the church on April 19. The home we went to, came to the block party and decided to go to church the next Sunday Night. The man was brought up Catholic and the lady was raised in a Church of God. They decided that they did not want to go to a Baptist church for who knows why and went to a Presbyterian church. The Presbyterian church did not have a Sunday evening service, but our traditional Southern Baptist church still believes that the Sunday evening service is a part of honoring our Lord on the day of rest. As a result of their attendance in the sunday evening service my chairman of Deacons and myself visited tonight and presented the Gospel. My Chairman of Deacons sat there tonight and watched his pastor present the plan of salvation to this family and the dad and 10-year-old daughter were gloriously saved. The mom, knew she was saved but confessed to straying. She prayed a prayer of re-surender based on 1 John 1:9. They are coming forward Sunday AM. I am following up this week and encouraging them in their walk.

All of this because Dr. Bart Barber challenged the bloggers to commit not to write another post until they shared the gospel with lost people before they posted a serious post on their blog. Well, I can now post another blog post.

But most of all, God has brought two more into His Kingdom. To Him be Glory and Honor.

Blessings,
Tim

Thanks Joel. No problem. Sometimes I not only don\’t understand myself, I don\’t even agree with myself when I do!

And, of course, no need for apology. Your challenge forced me to reconsider what I\’d penned and moved us toward greater clarity with each other, a grand accomplishment in itself.

With only minor differences as we contemplate this issue, both of us, nevertheless, possess the same position–let\’s take the present statistics seriously but offer our proposed solutions soberly.

With that, I am…

Peter

Hopefully you understand my prior confusion in observing your comparison of Stetzer and Barna. You and I would agree that Barna has gone “hermaneutically bananas” (I like that phrase!), particularly in relation to his eccleciology. The mention of these two names (STetzer and Barna) together is, again, to compare apples and oranges. Since Ed specializes in both research AND reserach analysis (and to be honest, any of us with a research doctorate should have abilities in both, otherwise, how could we have graduated?) as well as being a classically trained missiologist, we still disagree on your point that he stick to “lab work.” In short, I’m with you that we need to give this some time, and allow others to speak, I just think Ed should be able to speak to his own work, and I’ll admit my bias toward his conclusions as the right ones.

I apologize if I read too much into your prior comment. Praying that your day is blessed as well.