But Tim’s statement was clear. The whole movement, according to him, is an attempt to retore liberalism.

It is not true and he knows it. I could list several active bloggers, who interact with him repeatedly, who are not liberal and do not want to return to liberalism.

Tim spoke slanderously and dishonestly, and I have trouble reading or listening to anything he says until he retracts what he says.

He has lost credibility with me.

I will not speak for TimG…BUT…

Change/Reform has been advocated here. Read Tim’s newest post. Corrections to get back on track are often necessary. Reform to completely switch tracks back to the previous one (aka ‘pre 1979′) are not healthy for our convention. Another point of confusion here is that a problem with administrative concerns (as you seem to indicate) masks the actual vendetta being carried out by the leadership of the reform ‘conversation.’

The problem further persists in the opening of doors which one may not intend. I would not be able to label (or describe you) since I do not know you or have not watched your ministry over the years. However, the de facto leader of the ‘reform’ crowd in the SBC blogland has garnered a following which contains a constituency which is admittedly liberal in its bent. That door swung wide will certainly swing to a wideness which causes once ardent conservative pastors to moderate and equivocate their convictions. If what has happened in this period of tumult in the life and ministry philosophy of even just one were to spread throughout our convention, we will once again be addressing issues with which the now liberal “mainline” denominations are being confronted.

I do not believe that Tim’s statement qualifies as a blanket identification of all those in the movement as bona fide liberals…but it sure places those in that camp as either acquiescent or advocative of inclusion of the aforementioned liberal contingency.

SOLA GRATIA!

He knows better. Several of us who support reform but are solid conservatives have interacted with him, yet he continues to make public statements that question the integrity and faith of all of us who want reform.

What reform do you think is being labeled as “Liberal”? What are the top 3-5?

Blessings,
Chris

I still have not seen anything that justifies your character assasination and slander against me and others who seek reform in the SBC. You called us all liberals in your introduction to this series. It is a ridiculous and slanderous charge.

I am not a liberal. I think a few SBC leaders have gotten too much power and have wielded that power in dangerous ways. I think we need to do away with any power cabal who might try to run things behind the scenes. I don’t think the personal opinions of seminary presidents of BoT chairman should control the denomination.

Yet, because I think some reforms are needed, you classify me as liberal. You question my love for the word of God and my desire to serve him.

Don’t say, “I didn’t mean you.” You made that accusation against ALL in the reform movement.

You either need to apologize for your statement and retract it, or defend it and prove how a desire to reform the SBC makes me liberal.

I grow weary of this “Reform is Liberal” chorus that you, Volfan and others have been singing.

Next post please, I think this “bar” is closing and the guys are now trying to figure out what they did and did not drink and if they had enough to get kicked out of a Sunday School class they all have been lying about attending.

:-)

cb

Well said.

I believe you have dealt with it biblically. Thanks for the response.

Blessings,
Chris