Comments on: The Gospel and Words http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/ Restoring Unity through Biblical Discipleship and Baptist Identity Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:53:44 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: caset0987 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-2/#comment-1515 caset0987 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:22:04 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1515 FIRST is the preferred.....it realies on the Bible being right(the authority). The second gives you the 'credit' for discovering something in the Bible that maybe nobody else has found(=arrogance,elitism?)...go with the simplest and give God and His Word the credit due...understanding that the re-generate will not fully understand. II Tim 4:5 FIRST is the preferred…..it realies on the Bible being right(the authority). The second gives you the ‘credit’ for discovering something in the Bible that maybe nobody else has found(=arrogance,elitism?)…go with the simplest and give God and His Word the credit due…understanding that the re-generate will not fully understand.
II Tim 4:5

]]> By: cb scott http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-2/#comment-1509 cb scott Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:11 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1509 Tim, To bring up such bitter memories is beneath a fellow graduate of SEBTS even if you did fall 500 feet from a plane and hurt your head. :-) cb Tim,

To bring up such bitter memories is beneath a fellow graduate of SEBTS even if you did fall 500 feet from a plane and hurt your head. :-)

cb

]]> By: Tim Rogers http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-2/#comment-1504 Tim Rogers Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:29:15 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1504 Brother CB, Instead of; <i>but I do know that any football team in NC can be Louisiana-Monroe</i>, it should be <i>but I do know that any football team in NC can beat Louisiana-Monroe</i>. Blessings, Tim Brother CB,

Instead of; but I do know that any football team in NC can be Louisiana-Monroe, it should be but I do know that any football team in NC can beat Louisiana-Monroe.

Blessings,
Tim

]]> By: Tim Rogers http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1503 Tim Rogers Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:26:56 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1503 Brother CB, Not only do I <b>NOT PULL</b> for the Tarheels in football, but I do know that any football team in NC can be Louisiana-Monroe. Even my Baptist alma that is beginning their football program in 2008 can give that team a run for their money. But I digress. No one outside of the SABANATION knows who Louisiana-Monroe is or even where they are located? By their name, they do not know where they are located. But I bet you a nickel to a doughnut hole those around the fine state of Ala. know. Now, to the post. I believe you will agree that, while the second statement is not bad in and of itself, the first statement is a stronger wording to advance the sufficiency of Scripture. Blessings, Tim Brother CB,

Not only do I NOT PULL for the Tarheels in football, but I do know that any football team in NC can be Louisiana-Monroe. Even my Baptist alma that is beginning their football program in 2008 can give that team a run for their money. But I digress. No one outside of the SABANATION knows who Louisiana-Monroe is or even where they are located? By their name, they do not know where they are located. But I bet you a nickel to a doughnut hole those around the fine state of Ala. know.

Now, to the post. I believe you will agree that, while the second statement is not bad in and of itself, the first statement is a stronger wording to advance the sufficiency of Scripture.

Blessings,
Tim

]]> By: cb scott http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1502 cb scott Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:30:42 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1502 Tim, Lest you get the big head from my last comment, I also know you know nothing of football since your are a TAR HEEL. :-) cb Tim,

Lest you get the big head from my last comment, I also know you know nothing of football since your are a TAR HEEL. :-)

cb

]]> By: cb scott http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1501 cb scott Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:28:06 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1501 Tim, I know that in the arena of evangelism you are a very knowledgeable voice. Therefore, I greatly agree with the comment of Chris Johnson he made in #47. Thank you for bringing this to the attention of us all who work to advance the Kingdom. cb Tim,

I know that in the arena of evangelism you are a very knowledgeable voice. Therefore, I greatly agree with the comment of Chris Johnson he made in #47.

Thank you for bringing this to the attention of us all who work to advance the Kingdom.

cb

]]> By: Chris Johnson http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1500 Chris Johnson Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:07:15 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1500 Tim, I'm glad your keeping those rascals honest, ....it appears this is targeted to their emphasis on lay people to be "Conversational—makes sharing the gospel more natural". We don't use that material,...but I'm glad you have raised the question....it can only help. Blessings, Chris Tim,

I’m glad your keeping those rascals honest, ….it appears this is targeted to their emphasis on lay people to be “Conversational—makes sharing the gospel more natural”.

We don’t use that material,…but I’m glad you have raised the question….it can only help.

Blessings,
Chris

]]> By: Alan Cross http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1499 Alan Cross Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:57:48 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1499 By the way, thanks for all the background info. It wasn't necessary as I took you at your word before, but it was helpful to see where you were coming from. By the way, thanks for all the background info. It wasn’t necessary as I took you at your word before, but it was helpful to see where you were coming from.

]]> By: Alan Cross http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1498 Alan Cross Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:55:51 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1498 Tim, to answer your question, I have no idea. Like I said previously before I even began to see that there was a deeper context, I don't think that the questions are that different. The language is a bit different, but they essentially mean the same thing. I think that we are very leery of words like "discover", "opinion", "feel", "journey," etc. We are afraid that if we embrace those words, we are embracing the entire postmodern hermeneutic. I don't think that is the case, because those words have real meaning and in the context of your question they remain appropriate. They just seem to be more inviting in an evangelistic dialogue with a lost person. Baptists have always believed in inviting sinners to understand, believe in, and embrace the gospel. I don't see this as any different and I don't think that the authority of Scripture has been sacrificed. Tim, to answer your question, I have no idea. Like I said previously before I even began to see that there was a deeper context, I don’t think that the questions are that different. The language is a bit different, but they essentially mean the same thing.

I think that we are very leery of words like “discover”, “opinion”, “feel”, “journey,” etc. We are afraid that if we embrace those words, we are embracing the entire postmodern hermeneutic. I don’t think that is the case, because those words have real meaning and in the context of your question they remain appropriate. They just seem to be more inviting in an evangelistic dialogue with a lost person. Baptists have always believed in inviting sinners to understand, believe in, and embrace the gospel. I don’t see this as any different and I don’t think that the authority of Scripture has been sacrificed.

]]> By: Tim Rogers http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/comment-page-1/#comment-1497 Tim Rogers Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:00:10 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2008/01/17/the-gospel-and-words/#comment-1497 Brother Alan, First, as you have seen this concerns the FAITH outline. I have done FAITH now for 10 semesters. I did not do FAITH this past fall and heard that Lifeway had condensed the 16 weeks down to 12 weeks. I wanted to do the 12 week semester because in September 2008, Lifeway will completely phase out the 16 week semester. I received this condensed semester the week before we began FAITH. I began through it and ran across this statement. I then called the FAITH people at Lifeway and discussed this very concern with them. Of course as you have seen in my comments we disagreed so I offered to place it out here so they could see that I was not the only one that saw this. I told them that I did not want this to turn into a FAITH bashing post so I placed it out there the way I did. That way we could focus directely on the statement an not bring into the comment thread anyone's preconceived notions that FAITH was not an adequate Gospel presentation. That is the purpose of presenting it like I did. Now, after answering your concern, let me ask you a question. Why would one desire to change from the first statement to the second? Blessings, Tim Brother Alan,

First, as you have seen this concerns the FAITH outline. I have done FAITH now for 10 semesters. I did not do FAITH this past fall and heard that Lifeway had condensed the 16 weeks down to 12 weeks. I wanted to do the 12 week semester because in September 2008, Lifeway will completely phase out the 16 week semester.

I received this condensed semester the week before we began FAITH. I began through it and ran across this statement. I then called the FAITH people at Lifeway and discussed this very concern with them. Of course as you have seen in my comments we disagreed so I offered to place it out here so they could see that I was not the only one that saw this. I told them that I did not want this to turn into a FAITH bashing post so I placed it out there the way I did. That way we could focus directely on the statement an not bring into the comment thread anyone’s preconceived notions that FAITH was not an adequate Gospel presentation.

That is the purpose of presenting it like I did. Now, after answering your concern, let me ask you a question. Why would one desire to change from the first statement to the second?

Blessings,
Tim

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