Comments on: Principles of Contextualization http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=principles-of-contextualization A forum for Baptists to dialogue about how best to fulfill God’s calling in our lives. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:33:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Thomas Twitchell http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-697 Thomas Twitchell Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:56:43 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-697 I am surprised that they quoted 1 Corinthians 9:22, when it has nothing what soever to do with cultural contextualization. It has to do with the fact that Paul was a Jew but he was saved in the same way that Gentiles are saved, the same everyone is saved. I am surprised that they quoted 1 Corinthians 9:22, when it has nothing what soever to do with cultural contextualization. It has to do with the fact that Paul was a Jew but he was saved in the same way that Gentiles are saved, the same everyone is saved.

]]> By: Steve http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-696 Steve Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:47:30 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-696 Excellent thoughts and great clarification. I very much appreciate the IMB's position statement. Steve Excellent thoughts and great clarification. I very much appreciate the IMB’s position statement.
Steve

]]> By: Trip Rodgers http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-695 Trip Rodgers Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:54:48 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-695 Wes, I read Dr. Yorks's comments as well. The notes that are part of the document that you display here as the Principles of Contextualization - were they part of the adopted document or are they added for clarification? I'm asking because if they are part of the document, then C1-C4 are clearly identified as limits. Otherwise, there is room for interpretation of the document. As someone who has worked with the c1-c6 scale, does this note say that c4 is where the missionary can go, or the church they are planting, or the place a new believer can be at before he is a "real believer"? I've not seen the scale used in this context before. We've used it in the context of "he's a c4(or 5 or 2) believer." I'll wait to see how this questions answered before I comment on my feelings about the document. Wes,
I read Dr. Yorks’s comments as well. The notes that are part of the document that you display here as the Principles of Contextualization – were they part of the adopted document or are they added for clarification? I’m asking because if they are part of the document, then C1-C4 are clearly identified as limits. Otherwise, there is room for interpretation of the document. As someone who has worked with the c1-c6 scale, does this note say that c4 is where the missionary can go, or the church they are planting, or the place a new believer can be at before he is a “real believer”? I’ve not seen the scale used in this context before. We’ve used it in the context of “he’s a c4(or 5 or 2) believer.” I’ll wait to see how this questions answered before I comment on my feelings about the document.

]]> By: Chris Johnson http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-694 Chris Johnson Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:08:32 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-694 Thanks Wes for this post, It is always good to discuss these matters. I like the flow in point number two. Paul was very aware of the various cultural trappings and used those cultural biases to prove the point of the Gospel. That is,… the Gospel is outside of us, it comes to us, and it is always effective. In our day, many are tempted to use the culture biases or even cultural freedoms to prove how effective the culture may be in propping up the Gospel message. It should give us great assurance to understand that the plan of God is never in the control of men, but always in the control of God. Simply preaching and clarifying the Gospel is power enough. In other words, we should not worry so much if our bridges are polished and pretty, …but we should be concerned that the Gospel is preached in complete context and with clarity. Blessings, Chris Thanks Wes for this post,

It is always good to discuss these matters. I like the flow in point number two. Paul was very aware of the various cultural trappings and used those cultural biases to prove the point of the Gospel. That is,… the Gospel is outside of us, it comes to us, and it is always effective.

In our day, many are tempted to use the culture biases or even cultural freedoms to prove how effective the culture may be in propping up the Gospel message. It should give us great assurance to understand that the plan of God is never in the control of men, but always in the control of God. Simply preaching and clarifying the Gospel is power enough.

In other words, we should not worry so much if our bridges are polished and pretty, …but we should be concerned that the Gospel is preached in complete context and with clarity.

Blessings,
Chris

]]> By: stuart http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-693 stuart Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:23:07 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-693 Is it just me, or does footnote (2) above not say basically the same thing Wade Burleson said in response to another trustee's comments about the Camel method? Is it just me, or does footnote (2) above not say basically the same thing Wade Burleson said in response to another trustee’s comments about the Camel method?

]]> By: selahV http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-692 selahV Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:35:03 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-692 Robin...thanks for the kind words. good to know you use a dictionary, too. When I use to read Nathan Finn and some of his bloglinks, I spent more time with the dictionary than reading the blogs. Those men are whew wee smart. I'm not really ashamed of being ignorant. Just wish I'd spent more time reading than watching the Home and Garden channel sometimes. Don't watch it at all anymore. Thanks to Peter, I'd rather read blogs and books suggested by blogs. Tim, thanks for the dictionary.com link. I usually use AOL since that's in my tool bar, but it's always good to have another source. As to me baiting you guys, I'm sure I have no idea what you mean. :) But seriously, I know from reading all of you--even the ones who disagree on stuff that I agree with. Sometimes it's very hard to understand when ya'll start talking in code with all those football mascot names and stuff. But when I'm not grasping the pigskin as I should, I go looking for a seasoned quarterback to help me get a handle on stuff. I truly appreciate Peyton Manning, even though Tom Brady is my king. then again Tony Romo is who I've really got an eye on the future of those Dallas boys. oooh. I'm off topic. sorry. :) Thanks for your help. I shall speak to my pastor on the issue. Also one of our ministers has children serving in Nicaraugua, so I bet he'd have a great grasp on what it means. Blessings to you all. selahV Robin…thanks for the kind words. good to know you use a dictionary, too. When I use to read Nathan Finn and some of his bloglinks, I spent more time with the dictionary than reading the blogs. Those men are whew wee smart. I’m not really ashamed of being ignorant. Just wish I’d spent more time reading than watching the Home and Garden channel sometimes. Don’t watch it at all anymore. Thanks to Peter, I’d rather read blogs and books suggested by blogs.

Tim, thanks for the dictionary.com link. I usually use AOL since that’s in my tool bar, but it’s always good to have another source.

As to me baiting you guys, I’m sure I have no idea what you mean. :) But seriously, I know from reading all of you–even the ones who disagree on stuff that I agree with. Sometimes it’s very hard to understand when ya’ll start talking in code with all those football mascot names and stuff. But when I’m not grasping the pigskin as I should, I go looking for a seasoned quarterback to help me get a handle on stuff. I truly appreciate Peyton Manning, even though Tom Brady is my king. then again Tony Romo is who I’ve really got an eye on the future of those Dallas boys. oooh. I’m off topic. sorry. :)

Thanks for your help. I shall speak to my pastor on the issue. Also one of our ministers has children serving in Nicaraugua, so I bet he’d have a great grasp on what it means. Blessings to you all. selahV

]]> By: Tim Rogers http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-691 Tim Rogers Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:17:14 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-691 Brother Robin, You can use dictionary.com and get the same information. That is what I do. I always need a dictionary. :>) Sister Harriette, You have nothing to be ashamed of. I believe you are baiting us on some of this stuff. Either you know more than you are letting on, or you are a quick learner. Either way you always find a way to get ahead of the curve. :>) Blessings, Tim Brother Robin,

You can use dictionary.com and get the same information. That is what I do. I always need a dictionary. :>)

Sister Harriette,

You have nothing to be ashamed of. I believe you are baiting us on some of this stuff. Either you know more than you are letting on, or you are a quick learner. Either way you always find a way to get ahead of the curve. :>)

Blessings,
Tim

]]> By: Wes Kenney http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-690 Wes Kenney Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:10:25 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-690 IMB trustee (and SBTS professor) Dr. Hershael York has commented on these principles on his blog, providing some much-needed illumination on the C1-C6 scale. The highlight of his post for me was the following sentence: <blockquote>Separating cultural Christianity from biblical Christianity is sometimes a difficult task, but separating Christianity from the essentials of the gospel is a deadly task.</blockquote> <a href="http://hershaelyork.blogspot.com/2007/11/most-important-business-at-recent-imb.html" rel="nofollow">Click here</a> to read Dr. York’s post. IMB trustee (and SBTS professor) Dr. Hershael York has commented on these principles on his blog, providing some much-needed illumination on the C1-C6 scale.

The highlight of his post for me was the following sentence:

Separating cultural Christianity from biblical Christianity is sometimes a difficult task, but separating Christianity from the essentials of the gospel is a deadly task.

Click here to read Dr. York’s post.

]]> By: Robin http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-689 Robin Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:01:38 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-689 Harriette When I entered seminary I had a dictionary on my desk to look up words I did not understand. That was 10 years ago. Today, I have a dictionary on my desk to look up words I don't understand. If any blogger claims they have arrived and has no need of explanation concerning any issue that comes up or they have no need to learn something new whether it is a word or an idea, then I believe they miss the point of being a Christian. Even Paul claimed to not have laid hold of it yet. So we are both in good company. If you have any questions, first go to your pastor. If you want other opinions, you can just email any or all of us at SBC Today. You might find varying answers. :-) Concerning my blog, it just might come back up early next year depending on my work load. Thanks and God Bless Harriette

When I entered seminary I had a dictionary on my desk to look up words I did not understand. That was 10 years ago. Today, I have a dictionary on my desk to look up words I don’t understand. If any blogger claims they have arrived and has no need of explanation concerning any issue that comes up or they have no need to learn something new whether it is a word or an idea, then I believe they miss the point of being a Christian. Even Paul claimed to not have laid hold of it yet. So we are both in good company.

If you have any questions, first go to your pastor. If you want other opinions, you can just email any or all of us at SBC Today. You might find varying answers. :-)

Concerning my blog, it just might come back up early next year depending on my work load.

Thanks and God Bless

]]> By: selahV http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-688 selahV Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:28:46 +0000 http://sbctoday.com/2007/11/10/principles-of-contextualization/#comment-688 Tim, Wes, Robin and Joe, (I include Joe because he is one of ya'll) :) I have a huge confession to make. A bunch of the language within all this requires me to go look up words and try to place the definition back into the text to comprehend the actual statement's intent. I know that isn't how it is for you learned fellas, and I'm not trying to play duh-stupid. I'm sincerely wondering what it means and how it affects the missions. Is there anyway you gentle brothers could help me out here? I've got a group of readers on my site that email me with questions and I really don't want to steer them wrongly. I've done pretty good at explaining the "letter" we Baptists exchange between churches. And Wes's post at his blog really helped me alot. Folks may not realize it, but lots of folk (adults) who have joined churches recently, and are considering joining our churches really want to know what things mean. And yeah, I know. Their local church ought to explain it. But some folks don't like to feel ignorant for asking what to others is obvious. Me? well, I already know I'm ignorant and the only way I've ever learned anything is to read and ask questions when I don't understand what I read. Sometimes that gets me in big trouble because many folks don't like folks asking questions. I appreciate you, Wes, for telling me I even had a great question. I only asked it because of all the discussion on the internet about what doctrine is sound and what doctrine isn't. Appreciate you fellas. I miss your blog, Robin. selahV Tim, Wes, Robin and Joe, (I include Joe because he is one of ya’ll) :) I have a huge confession to make. A bunch of the language within all this requires me to go look up words and try to place the definition back into the text to comprehend the actual statement’s intent. I know that isn’t how it is for you learned fellas, and I’m not trying to play duh-stupid. I’m sincerely wondering what it means and how it affects the missions.

Is there anyway you gentle brothers could help me out here? I’ve got a group of readers on my site that email me with questions and I really don’t want to steer them wrongly. I’ve done pretty good at explaining the “letter” we Baptists exchange between churches. And Wes’s post at his blog really helped me alot.

Folks may not realize it, but lots of folk (adults) who have joined churches recently, and are considering joining our churches really want to know what things mean. And yeah, I know. Their local church ought to explain it. But some folks don’t like to feel ignorant for asking what to others is obvious. Me? well, I already know I’m ignorant and the only way I’ve ever learned anything is to read and ask questions when I don’t understand what I read.

Sometimes that gets me in big trouble because many folks don’t like folks asking questions. I appreciate you, Wes, for telling me I even had a great question. I only asked it because of all the discussion on the internet about what doctrine is sound and what doctrine isn’t.

Appreciate you fellas. I miss your blog, Robin. selahV

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