In our day and age of ecumenical awareness and knocking down the walls of denominations,  are baptisms important to people anymore?  to Churches?  With all of the people saying that they would accept any ole kind of baptism, whether it be sprinkling, pouring, or whatever, is it important about the kind of baptism you have?  With some people in Southern Baptist Churches saying that they would accept any baptism, as long as the person was saved, and the baptism was by immersion, is it important who does the baptizing?  I mean, if momma’s can baptise their children in the backyard mudhole after they lead little Johnny, or Susie, to the Lord; and it be acceptable to a SB Church; does that not scream some things loudly about that Churches view of baptism?  So, do baptisms matter anymore?  Are people even concerned with a doctrine and practice that seems to be a very important one as you’re reading the NT. 

I really believe that part of the problem today, which some people and some Churches have in some areas of ecclesiology, is that they have a John Wayne, rugged individualist, “I did it my way” mentality.  And, this mentality rubs off on their view about baptism, and really, about the Church in general. And, we see this in the thinking of people when they say things like, “I ‘m satisfied with my baptism, so I don’t want to get baptised by a Baptist Church. I want to join your Church without being baptised again.”  We see this kind of thinking when Pastors say things to the effect that it doesn’t matter if a new convert is baptised by an individual person in a hot tub, or if they’re baptised with the Churches presence and by the Churches blessing.  It doesn’t matter to them that the Church is not involved in the baptism.  Why? because it’s an individual thing, rather than a Church thing.  In their view, it is a personal thing that happens outside of the Church. 

You know, when you look in the Bible, baptism is a group thing; not a “lone Cowboy on the range, riding in the sunset as the coyotes howl” thing.  The Lord set up the Church to be a fellowship of Believers.  The Church is supposed to be where people are baptised, and taught the Word of God, and discipled, and encouraged.  The Church is supposed to always be a group of Believers, who are seeking the Lord together.  So, why would baptism not be a Church ordinance?  Why would baptism be something that an individual could just do…out there… somewhere….apart from the Body? Why would the Church today let Western philosophy turn baptism into an individuals own personal possession, rather than something that the Church does and participates in?  Could it be for convenients sake?  Could it be to get more members in their Church, because they know that some people will not join their Church if they have to have a proper baptism?  Could it a real reluctance to deal with controversy on the part of a Pastor?  Could it be ignorance of the Bible?  Could it be the desire to “fit in” with the greater, evangelical group out there?  To accepted by the “cool group?”  What do you think?

Well, baptism is supposed to be a testimony of the person’s conversion.  Baptism is supposed to declare a message, the Gospel, to the people watching it.  Baptism is supposed to be a symbollic picture of the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord.  Baptism is a picture of the blood of Jesus washing away the guilt and punishment of our sins.  Baptism is supposed to be a way of formally accepting a new born baby in Christ into the Church.  So, why would people even think that it’s something that’s an indvidual thing?  Why would they even want baptism to be an individual ordinance, rather than a church ordinance? 

Folks, baptism is a time to celebrate the new birth.  Baptism is a time to rejoice in the salvation of a person.  Baptism is a very special thing, and it’s something that all the Church should have the privilege to participate in.  Baptism is a time for the entire Church to join with the baptismal candidate in this wonderful ordinance given to the Church by the Lord Jesus.  How much would be lost and missed if everyone was just out there baptising people in their own, private hot tub, or swimming pool, or local swimming hole in the creek?  I think a lot would be missed.  We would be missing much of what the Lord intended to do in the life of a Church, if the Church is not allowed to participate in the baptism of new converts.

So, who should get baptised?  Of course, those people who get saved by grace thru faith.  Acts 2:41. Acts 10:44-48. Acts 16:30-34.  How should they be baptised?  By immersion.  Matthew 3:13-17…Jesus came up straightway out of the water. The very word for “baptise” in the Greek means to dip under, to immerse.  So, if you want to do it right, the way the Bible clearly teaches, then it must be a dipping under; an immersion.  What should baptism be about?  It should be a declaration to the community that a person has been saved. It should be a testimony that the person has truly, sincerely put their faith in Jesus, and they’re willing to obey Him as their Lord.  Who should baptise?  The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.  The Great Commission was given to the Church.  Matthew 18:20.  The beginning of the Church was standing before the Lord Jesus that day.  The Apostles were standing there, who were commissioned to preach the Gospel to the world, and baptise the new converts, and disciple them.  They were the men that God used to get the Church that the Lord Jesus founded going.  The Church should be the one who baptises new converts, so that they are involved with a Church family; to be nurtured in the faith; encouraged; taught; loved; affirmed; accepted; challenged; inspired; and given much needed guidance.  The Church is the one, who was given this task by the Lord Jesus, it’s Head. 

So, what a Church believes about salvation and baptism does matter.  Who is doing the baptising does matter.  It says a lot about a person’s beliefs.  I mean, if you get baptised in the Church of Christ, then you are identifying with their view of baptismal regeneration and works salvation.  If you get baptised by a Mormon Church, then you are saying that you agree with them about works salvation, denying the Trinity, denying the atoning death of the Lord Jesus.  If you get baptised by an Assembly of God Church, then you’re agreeing with them that salvation is not an eternal work of God; that it’s something that can be lost.  If you get baptised in the Methodist Church, sprinkled on top of the head, then you were not properly baptised by immersion.  And, these are not true baptisms.  Now, I’m not saying that these people aren’t saved.  They most certainly could be saved.  But, their baptism is not a valid, proper, true baptism.  They should be baptised for the right reasons, and in the right way. 

Now, please don’t come into the comment section calling me a Landmark Baptist.  lol.  I don’t believe that Baptist Churches are the only true Churches, or that we can trace our lineage back to Jesus, or that SB’s are the only ones who can baptise.  Puulease.  Listen, if Muddy Creek Community Church believes like we do about salvation and baptism, then we should accept their baptism as a true baptism.  If Possum Ridge Bible Church believes as we do about salvation and baptism, then I believe they have a true baptism.  So, please don’t come in here with all the Landmark comments.  I really don’t have the time, nor the energy to deal with that malarky.  But, I do believe that baptism is important.  And, it should be done right, and for the right reasons.  And, I most certainly believe that it should be a Church thing.

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There are various analysis of the GCRTF report.  Some are saying things that the report has not said while others are merely expressing degrees of agreement and disagreement. The following analysis is merely one pastor of 40,000 that has read the report and considers the recommendations.  I want to begin by saying that I agree we as the SBC need to do something.  Thus, I am not against the need to look at what we are doing and realign things that need realigning.  I am excited that we are doing this and I look forward to being a part of the changes that may come.  I offer the following, not as a critic of the work of the committee, but as a concerned pastor.

The first recommendation presents a call for all Southern Baptist to rally around a new vision statement.  It should be a vision to fulfill the Great Commission and we should have it clearly defined.  The statement includes the word “Missional” which seems to be a buzz word among the younger pastors.  We now have it in a vision statement even though there is no clearl definition of the word.  The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF)has been using this term for years.  According to this blog they have been using “missional” to express a holistic ministry.  For the CBF one would read the term “missional” to express a “social gospel” ministry. Our GCRTF has presented the statement; “As a convention of churches, our Missional vision is to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ to every person in the world and to make disciples of all the nations.”

A couple of observations: first, as I stated above, there needs to be a clear definition of “Missional” before we can adopt this statement.  Some years in the past I rode with Dr. Ed Stetzer from his hotel to the conference site where he was about to make a presentation.  I asked him about this word as Dr. Stetzer is the one credited with the introduction of this word in the vernacular of Southern Baptist.  He told me that Evangelicals were now using the word to mean most anything.  Second, this vision statement could be used by any evangelical denomination. The Methodist, Presbyterians, Lutherans, even the the non-Christian sect, the Mormons could adopt the vision statement without clearly defining the terms.  I believe there needs to be some definitions clearly communicated in the report coming in May and the statement would sit well using the word “baptizing” in some portion.  The Great Commission Resurgence without “baptize” is really, not completing the Great Commission.

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The following link is to the Chapel Message delivered at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary on 2-25-2010.  Dr. Hunt faithfully delivered the Word of God something he holds dear in his life.  I encourage you to hear his message with an open mind and heart as he expresses how God used his recent bout with cancer.  Dr. Hunt brings a message from Psalm 19.  What a great example of Biblical exposition.

SWBTS Chapel Message 2-25-2010–Dr Johnny Hunt

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The following is a statement from Dr. Ergun Caner, President of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, regarding the recently renewed accusations and criticisms of his life and ministry.  He issued this from his website, erguncaner.com, Thursday evening, February 25, 2010.  We have reproduced it here, by permission of the author, for your convenience.  The original may be found by clicking the following link: Statement of Dr. Ergun Caner.

In keeping with the desire expressed by Dr. Caner in the following excerpt from his statement,

This constant stream of criticism, blogging and berating is not acceptable between believers. I am as guilty as anyone else in instigating such things over the years, but these personal attacks are too much.
I shall not participate in this anymore.

We will not be opening commenting on this post.

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…is any discussion as to those whom we will consider to be the next president of our convention.  While some may consider this a minor point, I do not.  Consider this: two years ago, before there was a well-formed ‘Great Commission Resurgence’ movement, before there was a GCR related Task Force, we had numerous candidates (six, to be exact, by the time we made it to Indianapolis).  By this time in 2008 (late February to early March), one candidate had been announced and then for medical reasons stepped aside, another officially announced, and a second candidate officially threw his hat in the ring by March. Read More→

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Today on our podcast, we are joined once again by Dr. Ergun Caner, President of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary.  In this episode we talk with Dr. Caner about recent events, comments he has made and comments which have been made about him.

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Here is the video of the GCR Task Force interim report.  It is similar in essence to the one given to the meeting of the SBC Executive Committee on Monday, Febraury 22, 2010.  After viewing the video or reading the report, discuss your thoughts, impressions, expectations, enthusiasm, or disappointment in the comment thread below the video.

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When I surrendered to Christ in 1988 someone asked me if I had counted the cost.  As a new Christian I responded that I had, but in reality I could not know exactly what the cost was of following Jesus.  I knew that I had surrendered to Him and it made no difference to me what the cost was, in my reputation or what others said about me.

When you are saved out of a Muslim culture and religion it is more difficult than it is for someone like me.  The only danger I ever had to concern myself with was the laughs and jeers of my drinking buddies.  To one that is saved out of a Muslim culture and religion their lives are placed in jeopardy.

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Rev. Trevin Wax has released the book Holy Subversion.  I have the privilege of reviewing this book and it is very exciting and humbling to be asked to do this.  Rev. Wax is the Associate Pastor of First Baptist Church in Shelbyville, Tennessee.  You can find him blogging at www.trevinwax.com.  I have decided to make this an eight part review due to the reason I explain in Part One.

One of the honors that I have serving at SBC Today is the occasional book review that comes my way.  It not only allows me to increase my library free of charge, but it also challenges me as I filter the thoughts of others.  Some books become boring and monotonous after the introduction and do nothing to challenge your thinking.  Others hold your attention but are not logically presented and because of their illogical movement presents a challenge to the reader to remember what the writer is trying to communicate.  Holy Subversion by Trevin Wax is one book that not only challenges the reader but it also reads very logically.

When beginning a book I always attack the project in the following manner; Table of Contents, publisher information, endorsements, forward, and either last chapter, or concluding thoughts.  Trevin Wax does not disappoint me in my reading schedule.  He provides a clear Forward and an outstanding summary of his purpose in the Afterward.  He says in the Afterward: “The main thrust of this book has been a call to reclaiming the subversive nature of Christian discipleship.”(p.149)  It was that statement that invigorated my discipleship juices and gave me the idea of using this book in my current one-on-one discipleship class.  I am currently meeting once a week with a brother in a mentoring type of relationship.  I decided to work through this book with him.  Because of using this book in this relationship, I have decided not to do a one time book review but an ongoing chapter-by-chapter review.  Thus, begins part one of an eight part series reviewing Holy Subversion.

The forward does not disappoint as Dr. Ed Stetzer presents his wordsmith qualities to set you up to read the book.  Dr. Stetzer does, this writer believes, get carried away trying to present statistics about today’s Christians.  He uses a Barna research, his own research, and Dr. Brad Waggoner’s research all within three paragraphs. (p.13-14)  It makes the reader say: ‘ok enough of the research stats already’.  It appears, to this reviewer, in Dr. Stetzer’s desire to bring us to the point of the book, he forgets he is doing a forward for Trevin Wax.  But, he eventually brings the reader to the book’s objective and directs one’s attention to Wax’s purpose of expressing and living out Jesus is Lord.

As the author begins the first chapter much groundwork is presented.  This reviewer likes the way the author clearly presents his thesis.  Wax  clearly states his thesis in a question; “…how can we as communities of faith live in a way that subverts the “Caesars” that rule people around us…and seek to rule us too?” (p.26)  The author moves on to identify, what he describes in the Afterward as “a handful of rivals to Christ’s Lordship”. (p.149)

Some areas of disagreement I have with the author may seem to be minor for some but for others it may be an issue.  Personally these areas would not present an issue for this reviewer, it just helps to keep in perspective the bias of the author.  First, the reader is given a clue to the writer’s soteriological bend in the very beginning of the first chapter.  Wax, in expressing how the early church lived out “true Christianity” as being “not merely life-changing” but “world-changing” (emphasis Wax) seems to reveal a reformed soteriology.  He says; “The gospel message was less about inviting Jesus into their hearts and more about people being invited into the kingdom community that represents God’s heart for the world”. (p.24) The statement give the appearance that the early church invited people into the church and not a personal relationship with Christ.  I believe the author would have been wise to avoid this comparison.  It is as if the author downplays the importance of a personal entrance into the Kingdom in favor of a communal entrance.  One other area of disagreement hinges around the importance of communities of faith living passionately for Christ.  Do not mis-read this reviewer, as he is not saying he disagrees with living passionately for Christ in a community of faith.  However, Wax says; “So, how can we as communities of faith live in a way that subverts the “Caesars” that rule people around us…and seek to rule us too”? (p.26)  The disagreement that this reviewer has is that God calls us to live passionately for him privately and then corporately.  By focusing on how we corporately live passionately Wax seems to be directing our focus on the wrong objective.  If our main focus is a passionate love of Jesus in our private arena then that spills over into our corporate community of faith.

The areas of agreement I have with this first chapter are too numerous to mention. I would, however, like to call attention to a few.  First, Wax clearly defines what he means by “subversion” through giving the reader various definitions and then claiming the one he uses for the book.  His definition for the book is “pushing something back down into its proper place”. (p.26) He presents that these areas of our life are not bad, in and of themselves, but need to be pushed back down under the control of Jesus.  Second, Wax clearly lists the areas of our life that become Caesars.  He lists the Caesar of self, success, money, leisure, sex, and power as being those that most commonly battle for complete control over our lives.  Third, Wax teases the reader as he lists these various Caesars.  He briefly describes each Caesar and leaves the reader aware that each one will become more detailed in the chapters to come.

One Caesar this reviewer especially appreciates him presenting is the Caesar of sex.  With this Caesar, Wax presents three ways Christian communities can subvert this idol. (p.30-31)  First, for singles there should be a commitment to “a life of chastity (a life of purity) not  merely abstinence.” Second, the community must celebrate “sex within marriage” which translates into a covenant marriage.  Third, Wax encourages Christian communities to stop separating sex from procreation.  When this reviewer first read that statement it was a little daunting, but as one reads Wax’s next sentence one sees his point.  He says; “We will foster a church culture that celebrates large families and sees children as a gift from God.”  How many times does one hear Christians in the church joke about the couple that has four to six children?  Large families have become the abnormal standard now and small families are the ones celebrated.  This reviewer has not read Wax’s completely developed chapter on the Caesar of Sex, but one does look forward to a fully developed theology of child bearing in that chapter.  If there isn’t one this reader will be greatly disappointed.

Just the Forward and Chapter 1 have been covered in this review.  If this is any indication of how the rest of the book is packaged then this will be an enjoyable read.  However, the readability of the book is not the only purpose of this reviewers interest.  This reviewer will also review the chapters to come on each chapter’s ability to develop the disciple.  Looking forward to the journey.

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This week’s podcast is our longest yet, at just over forty-four minutes, but hopefully the discussion will prove worth the time. We didn’t even cover all the topics we intended to address. In times past, such long-windedness would have been laid squarely at the feet of Bart Barber, but since he’s not around to blame, we’ll have to come up with another excuse. We began by addressing the response by Dr. David Allen to a review by Dr. Tom Nettles of a book by Dr. William Dembski. If you think you’re confused now, wait until you hear our discussion. We finished the podcast discussing tithing, antinomianism, and Les Puryear.

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